For me it is surprising that so many here are using kickstand. Can't figure why. On the other extreme there are weight weenies who easily pay €500,- to shave 200 grammes off (titanium screw set, carbon ahead cap etc).

Totally agree with the 200 grammes comment. Pay a visit to the bathroom before you set off; you'll save more weight and it won't cost you a cent! (I guess it might if you are out and they charge for the use of!)

I took mine off the Space Genie when I changed the rear wheel from 305 to 389...:rolleyes: Now it no longer fits as it is too short. If anyone wants it....:innocent: However, its no prob because the Genie folds like a Brompton anyway.

I used to mtn bike and always took off all the kick stands on all my bikes. It's just that inopportune time that i'll jump a curb or log and the kick stand jumps out and I'm almost tripping over my pedals with it.

So now out of habit I mostly get rid of all kick stands on my bikes cause there's always something to lean it on, else if I'm out in a field I'll just let it lie on the ground they're pretty scratched up already from branches and other stuff so it'll make no diff for me.

kick stands are convenient, however I have removed mine from my Mu P24 and replaced it with what amounts to a thick rubber band on the left handle bar. When I wish to park the bike somewhere, I just pull the rubber band over the brake lever ( two seconds ) and then prop the bike against something. It works well.

I have Stridas and Bromptons (and a few regular bikes), so I don't need kick stands - both these have stands as part of rack.

Anyway, I was brought up to think that kick stands were for grannies and girls :D