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mconlonx 08-12-12 08:02 AM


Originally Posted by chaadster (Post 14560876)
That's a sweet headset, that Woodman, but it requires a new, non-threaded fork to work on a Nano, and if one is game to pony up for that, then you arrive at the possibility of just using a more common, less pricey, ISO headset.

No, just swapping the fork would not work to facillitate a change to ISO headset -- the inside diameter of the frame at the headtube/outside diameter of the headset cups are also different between ISO and JIS specs.


Originally Posted by chaadster (Post 14567482)
To do so, all you really need is an 8mm Allen key for the hanger bolt, a 6mm for the cable bolt, and a medium Phillips screwdriver to set limit and tension screws. Oh, and maybe a small pliers to help pull the cable taught.

There is a whole forum on mechanics and repair, and I'm sure you can find details on derailleur setup there.

More typically, 5mm for both hanger and cable bolts.

chaadster 08-12-12 10:21 AM

Thanks for the corrections, mconlonx. I had forgotten about the head tube ID difference.

I guess that means that we can either run what we've got, upgrade to a better threaded JIS headset, find a thread- less JIS fork for use with an JIS aheadset like the Woodman, or upgrade to ISO by machining down the head tube (what, .2mm?), machining down the fork crown seat (.6mm?) and getting a new ISO headset.

Damn, it makes popping $200 for the blue Hatta JIS not sound so bad...except that's 2/3 the cost of the whole bike!

chaadster 08-12-12 10:28 AM

It's been too long without a pic, too, so here's one that I pulled off the Internet that relates to Brooks (though I think Dynocoaster's setup looks more appropriate with the retro style saddle!) query above. It's also a reminder that a threadless quill adapter can open up stem options for us.

http://farm8.static.flickr.com/7176/...2c6fa75311.jpg

martinus 08-12-12 08:22 PM

I *think*, it goes something like : if you handlebar is above the saddle, get the b17 ( lots of versions ) ... if your handlebar is lower, then go with a pro, team or swallow.

Poguemahone 08-13-12 06:51 AM


Originally Posted by chaadster (Post 14595934)
Thanks for the corrections, mconlonx. I had forgotten about the head tube ID difference.

I guess that means that we can either run what we've got, upgrade to a better threaded JIS headset, find a thread- less JIS fork for use with an JIS aheadset like the Woodman, or upgrade to ISO by machining down the head tube (what, .2mm?), machining down the fork crown seat (.6mm?) and getting a new ISO headset.

Damn, it makes popping $200 for the blue Hatta JIS not sound so bad...except that's 2/3 the cost of the whole bike!

As you correctly say, you can ream the headtube out and mill the crown race down, allowing the bike to accept standard headsets. This requires special tools and a level of competency. Most local bike shops lack both. Best to find a framebuilder for such jobs.

I'd be interested to know if the latest run of Nanos is still JIS standard in the headset. It looks like a few things have been changed up.

chaadster 08-13-12 10:13 AM

P,I got mine...what, less than two months ago? It appears to have the same headset as older ones: black, with a knurled upper race.Could I take a revealing measurement without removing the crown race or lower cup?

airwulf 08-13-12 06:34 PM


Originally Posted by chaadster (Post 14543723)
Yes the Nano uses a recessed nut to mount the brakes.

I bought mine here, on eBay: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Tektro-R559-...-/290736704592

I just installed these brakes on my Nano and there is a BIG improvement in stopping power. Great choice.

marque 08-13-12 10:20 PM

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Im so tempted to remodel my bike to look like one of these http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=267269 ; taken from : http://gear11.blogspot.com/2010/11/j...-for-2011.html

why do they have such good looking mini velos? btw my saddle is about the same height as my handlebar. Does that mean I can go either way? (brooks 17 or pro? 176mm or something on b17 seems too wide for nano though..)

NMBuff 08-13-12 11:06 PM

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Bike picture! Got the Kojaks, white tape, black levers and the white Tektros. :thumb:

http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=267271

NMBuff 08-14-12 12:40 AM

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:cry:

I went for a 10mile ride yesterday and I noticed that I wasn't able to shift on my lowest gear. The RD was having a difficult time shifting and it would make ugly sounds. I got home and noticed this:

http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=267277

So now I guess I'm going to have to get a new RD. I changed the low limit screw on the RD so it can't try and shift to the lowest gear. Looks like I'm going to go with that new crankset and RD and BB sooner than expected. Thoughts? Any help would be fine. I'll probably take it into my LBS to get it adjusted if I can.

Damn and I was having a lot of fun on the bike. So I'm thinking I'm going to start some serious upgrading on this bike. Any help would be appreciated.

Here's what I'm thinking:
1. Tiagra rear derailler
2. Shimano FC-4500 Tiagra Crankset Hollowtech II
3. Hollowtech II Bottom Bracket
4. 11-32 cassette

Not sure if I'd need a new chain or not. I've been reading through a lot of bike literature and it seems "9 speed" gear works with "8 speeds" so I'm not too concerned. Should I take this over to the mechanics forum?
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chaadster 08-14-12 06:28 AM

Buff,

It looks like just the lower cage is bent (hanger looks good), so I'd probably go ahead and try to bend it back in line. I recently did that on my Buzz with good results. You can probably use your hand, or a big Channel-Lock plier on the cage.

The other thing to check is the B Tension screw; it's hard to tell from the pic, but it looks like there may be room to loosen it up and bring the tension pulley up closer to the cogs, which may improve shifting.

While you're at it, check your pulley bolts that they're not too tight, as mine were. I backed out the bolts a bit and it ran much quieter. A dash of blue Loctite is a good idea when reinstalling.

Your bike looks good, though!

Poguemahone 08-14-12 09:02 AM


Originally Posted by chaadster (Post 14599724)
P,I got mine...what, less than two months ago? It appears to have the same headset as older ones: black, with a knurled upper race.Could I take a revealing measurement without removing the crown race or lower cup?

Not that I know of. Not only that, measuring the crown race doesn't always tell you much. There were bikes that used the ISO cup size and a JIS crown race, not unusual for a long period in the eighties. You could contact Bikesdirect and see if they know...

Kabir 08-16-12 03:35 PM


Originally Posted by NMBuff (Post 14603397)
:cry:

I went for a 10mile ride yesterday and I noticed that I wasn't able to shift on my lowest gear. The RD was having a difficult time shifting and it would make ugly sounds. I got home and noticed this:

http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=267277

So now I guess I'm going to have to get a new RD. I changed the low limit screw on the RD so it can't try and shift to the lowest gear. Looks like I'm going to go with that new crankset and RD and BB sooner than expected. Thoughts? Any help would be fine. I'll probably take it into my LBS to get it adjusted if I can.

Damn and I was having a lot of fun on the bike. So I'm thinking I'm going to start some serious upgrading on this bike. Any help would be appreciated.

Here's what I'm thinking:
1. Tiagra rear derailler
2. Shimano FC-4500 Tiagra Crankset Hollowtech II
3. Hollowtech II Bottom Bracket
4. 11-32 cassette

Not sure if I'd need a new chain or not. I've been reading through a lot of bike literature and it seems "9 speed" gear works with "8 speeds" so I'm not too concerned. Should I take this over to the mechanics forum?

Looks like bent (outward) derailleur hanger.

NMBuff 08-16-12 11:47 PM


Originally Posted by Kabir (Post 14615168)
Looks like bent (outward) derailleur hanger.

I really, really hope that this isn't it. Would the fork end be ruined or can I bend it back myself? There is no hanger, it's a direct mount.

NMBuff 08-17-12 12:02 AM

So on the bikesdirect site it says that it has a replaceable rear derailleur hangar. It looks like it is part of the frame when I look at it and compare it to my other bike. It looks as if there's a washer between the RD and the dropout. Could that be the hangar? From all of the websites I've seen a mech hanger is different from what I have on my bike.

chaadster 08-17-12 07:35 AM


Originally Posted by NMBuff (Post 14616843)
So on the bikesdirect site it says that it has a replaceable rear derailleur hangar. It looks like it is part of the frame when I look at it and compare it to my other bike. It looks as if there's a washer between the RD and the dropout. Could that be the hangar? From all of the websites I've seen a mech hanger is different from what I have on my bike.

It is not a replaceable hanger; the hanger is part of the dropout. Yes, you could bend it back yourself, but if you're unable to visually determine it's bent, I would recommend you instead take it to a shop and have them, at least, assess the problem, and from there decide if it's a fix you want the shop to do, or if you want to do it yourself.

Properly straightening hangers is something that I think is worth doing, and if you don't have the tools, have a shop do it.

Dynocoaster 08-17-12 08:09 AM

Did you receive the bike with a bent hanger?

NMBuff 08-17-12 12:02 PM

No idea if I did or not. The thing never really shifted well to begin with. I'm thinking it was bent before I got it, but I have no proof.

It's only been recently that I've been tinkering and learning about bike mechanics. I may just buy the part to straighten the derailleur and get my hands dirty. I just don't want to damage the bike.

Poguemahone 08-18-12 05:32 PM


Originally Posted by NMBuff (Post 14618662)
No idea if I did or not. The thing never really shifted well to begin with. I'm thinking it was bent before I got it, but I have no proof.

It's only been recently that I've been tinkering and learning about bike mechanics. I may just buy the part to straighten the derailleur and get my hands dirty. I just don't want to damage the bike.

If it is the hanger, the job is best done with the proper alignment tool. However, the newer Nanos are advertised as having replacable hangers.

marque 08-20-12 11:31 AM

After riding for a while, it seems that mini velos don't go as fast as I'd like it to be... A friend of mine who is a student from Korea (they happen to have a lot of mini velos there) isn't fond of them because of the speed :( are there upgrades out there to make the nano faster? what kind of chain ring and cassette do you think would improve its speed? >:D

chaadster 08-20-12 03:48 PM


Originally Posted by marque (Post 14629018)
After riding for a while, it seems that mini velos don't go as fast as I'd like it to be... A friend of mine who is a student from Korea (they happen to have a lot of mini velos there) isn't fond of them because of the speed :( are there upgrades out there to make the nano faster? what kind of chain ring and cassette do you think would improve its speed? >:D

You are not the first to wonder these things. You should start at post #1 and read this thread. It's not so long, there are plenty of answers to your questions posted there, and answers to questions you haven't even imagined yet. Additionally, this thread appears to be the prime resource for the Nano, so it will behoove you to dedicate some time and energy to reading it if you plan to learn more and modify your Nano.

marque 08-25-12 10:42 AM

Well, I have read a good amount (very informative) but I guess I still lack experience and knowledge when it comes to bikes D: However, this forum has been quite helpful to me and I thank y'all for that. As far as cassettes go, is it possible to fit an SRAM 11-23 on our hubs?

NMBuff 08-25-12 11:16 AM

If you can go with a 11-32 and the stock cassette is 11-25 then 11-23 is certainly doable. I'm surprised you want to go with that gearing, but different strokes. It would kill on some of the hills we have in New Mexico, but if you live in Rhoad Island then you'd be fine.

I want to upgrade the large chainring to a 56T one, but I've already spent on a lot on this bike (I have an 11-28 cassette).

chaadster 08-25-12 04:57 PM

I'm still waiting on the arrival of a black, FSA Pro 44 tooth inner chainring, but I was so pleased with the looks and performance of this Origin 8 54 tooth outer, that I couldn't wait to post it!

The combo black/silver chainring looks hot, weighs about half of the stock unit, and shifts like the dickens, thanks to the pins, I guess. Truly an upgrade by any and all measures.

http://p6.hostingprod.com/@chaadthom...nano_aug12.jpg

I'm planning to order a Shimano HG50 corn cob 12-21 road cassette to complete my drivetrain mods. I think the 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 19, 21 tooth spread will keep me in the sweet spot for hustlin' around town on the 54t. The 44t will give me bail-out gearing in case I ever get a wild hair you-know-where and decide to ride this anywhere with mountains.

bjorke 08-30-12 12:45 AM


Originally Posted by chaadster (Post 14630315)
...this thread appears to be the prime resource for the Nano....

Who can make it sticky?


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