jur

Seems to me tcs is on his usual quest to denigrate... quizzical my ass.

kamtsa

I hear steps... the moderators are coming...

brakemeister

nah ....
lol

quite fitting post from Jur I think ....( who is critical at times as well, but well founded )

I think the cheap shot went backwards by now, and rational explaning has gotten the best of this thread. No need to remove it as there is valuable information now. I am the first to applaud critical thinking, after all I am have some views myself which are colliding with others.


peace thor

jefmcg

I'd just like to point out that my youtube link was not against the bike, it in reaction to pacificcyclists bizarre sexism.

As an aside, single speeds a hugely popular in big, flat cities like London and New York and are mostly ridden by men. I did a quick survey yesterday morning, out of hundreds of cycles, only 5 were green. 2 of them were ridden by women, but they were both retro bikes in BRG so going for the full aesthetic rather than the colour, per se.

pacificcyclist

I really enjoyed the little skit from Little Britain, injecting a little humour into a sometimes dull and overbearing discussion we have on this forum. You do have class!

However, I am not sure what you called me a sexist over my comments on the woman preferred bike? Have you just recently came out of a cave as we are now living in the 21st century you know? Women specific bikes are now produced by the likes of Trek under the Lexa and WSD designation and many major manufacturers to provide an alternative for women, be it for styling (aesthetic), fitting and color options. It is also not uncommon for a lot of male (that's a man in your dictionary) to be riding women specific bikes because they offer a geometry more befitting their unique body size, and brifters with a shorter reach (that's brake lever if you're not aware). Asian males tend to have shorter fingers. So do you call the marketing guys at Trek and other big bike makers sexist when their WSD model are ridden by male and female riders? I am not sure who has issues here, but I think the issues are with yourself.

Lastly, the research I quoted are meant to help government and companies formulate
solutions to the people who might not otherwise consider biking as an alternative mode of transportation. To increase the cycling population, you need to bring in new blood. Does is really matter if they do not fit the usual cycling mould?

bhkyte

Any one actually tried one yet?

badmother

Not nescesary. If your life is sad enough and your attitude is "right" anything and anybody could be the next target. The peopel who REALLY ride bikes has got no time and no energy to keep such threads alive.

chagzuki

It's a decent thread IMO, the folding design is interesting and I share the same curiosity as to why Dahon have decided on just the one very limited model.

brakemeister

I did ... what you wanna know
thor

Diode100

When do you think they will be on the shop floor, or if it is to come first, when will they be offered to the cycling press for road test / review ?

kamtsa

Any problem with the fit, ride quality or shifting because of the light green color?

Diode100

Sure are a lot of green haters on here, so what's wrong with green ?

Wasn't the much lamented Downtube Mini a subtle shade of peppermint green ?

The old green that Brompton used was probably the colour that showed the design to best effect.

Dynocoaster 

Green is suppose to have a relaxing effect.

gringo_gus

My downtube mini is a lovely green, and the last time I looked I was a bloke.

brakemeister

its shorter, smaller, than my regular CurveSL .... it also folds smaller.
I am not completely in favour of the shorter handlebar ( can get used to however).
The front brake is worthless. It takes me more than 7 secunds to fold ( but not by much ) WHo came up with those fenders.... awfull ( but very easy to take off )
Its not a bike you want to use for hundreds of miles ....
or maybe you will, it will fit perfectly for smaller than 6 foot folks ...


but it rides better than one thinks if you just go by the numbers.
And that even from people who are taller than me ( although I recomend a slightly smaller max height on my website, than Dahon does, same as the weight I am more conservative with my max weight )

Did I mention the rear v brake is great, the bike runs super smooth, feels solid enough to use most every day....

For us folks who want to mod a bike, its a little complicated.... but not impossible, just not plug and play kinda thing. But we are a very small minority of crazy .ss idi... who can never let good enough just be good enough....The vast majority of folks want to take the bike out of the box and just ride it .... and its perfect for that...
Its light enough to either roll or lift ....
did I mention it has a great rear brake ... which actually works very well ...
Gearing is maybe just a tad on the easy side, but not too much, you can easily cruise around going 15 miles without having a 95 cadence. I would keep it exactly where it is...

Color .... it grows on you
I almost start to like it ....

I was super skeptical about this bike .... than I let other folks ride it... and everybody smiles .... makes me think I should ratched down my skeptism and rather start smiling as well ...

thor

soooo what I would do to make it more fitting for me ...
get rid of the fenders, get rid of the complet front brake
use an Aber Hallo to gain a couple of inches reach ...

and after that I would simply enjoy the ride ....

Dynocoaster 

The other color for the Jifo is Sierra https://www.dahonbikes.com/index.php/bikes/show/335.html

merry2

what does it mean to be "woman-friendly?"

i have to believe that a woman with $1000 to spend on a bike is not so seduced by color alone. they may think it's cute, but are they ready to spend the money on it once they look closer? do you have orders for this bike already?

i imagine that someone shopping at that price point either a) has money to throw around and/or b) is looking for value and maybe style and utility.

i put myself in the b category.

i would not spend that kind of money on a single speeder that is only designed to take me one mile. lmao. that is insane and a bit insulting.

and if looks and style were that important, i'd save up another $500 to just get a brompton - better style, nicer fold, more cache/prestige, more uses, more color choices and options. and, it will take me more than a mile.

this bike is kinda fug. dahon should have offered the curve in more colors instead trashing it or putting at the back of the line.

lmao. this is totally ridiculous.

but the receipts will tell the tale.

what do i know... i'm just a woman though.

brakemeister

merry , sometimes it helps to re read once post. Yours comes over very aggressive and combative...

I am not afraid of a little tit for tat ....so here we go :

it helps to actually read what I wrote..... maybe even without an agenda to diss everything else than your beloved Brompton.
I try to do that, and I never say that they are overpriced, heavy as a brick, no brakes , antiqainted, ugly cables all over, heelstrike prone...
do I ?
loosen up will ya ....

yes i have orders.

Again there is absolutely nothing wrong to suggest a specific bike to a woman because it will fit her better, is lighter, easier to fold, geometry of the bike fits the woman better than usual ....
rather than sell her something you have in stock, or make hundreds more dollars on something which is just an easier sell ....
I usually try to listen to my customers and than make suggestions... this bike is perfect for some, not so great for others. ( like any other bike on this planet)

this last mile business is stupid.... Again if you read what I said that I wouldnt use the bike for a century .... I wouldnt suggest anybody doing that on any brompton either .... but to insist on a max distance of a mile is simply nuts....

Please read before you make assumptions, or better yet ...keep that Brommy propanda for yourself until you actually had the opportunity to ride this model Dahon ...

And with Brommy Propaganda I mean that continously Dahon bashing, Nothing wrong to praise your bike in a Brommy thread or everywhere else, but why does that come up in every Dahon thread ?

thor

Dynocoaster 

The fold of the Brompton is 23"X22"X10.6" the Jifo 16 is 23.9"X10"X23.4". The Jifo is lighter and folds quicker. The Jifo comes stock with Schwable tires. I am comparing the Single Speeds just to see the difference not to start anything. I agree you can do more with the Brompton but at a price. The Jifo is more of a flat city bike.

kamtsa

Looks like a fun bike. Looking forward to test riding it. I am curious how stiff it is, how well the vertical hinge and the removable pedals work and how it rolls when folded with seat extended. The light weight is a big plus for me. I prefer the green version BTW.

brakemeister

pedals seem to work great.... I have some thoughts about them, but they can be replaced by regular pedals as well, therefore anything in regards to propriarty bits is not as stinging as it would be if they wouldnt be replaceable

rolls great in one direction .... still needs a little hand coordination of course ...

test rides available :-)

thor

merry2

yes, i'm aggressive and combative. i've been found out...that's the worse thing you can say about a woman...how awful...

i ride a dahon vitesse every day; have for almost two years. i don't own a brompton and i've got no plans on buying one.

i'm not in the brompton camp per se; dahon has already gotten some of my money and i was thinking about getting another dahon bike in this price range - see the thread on riding a 20" wheeled bike on a century.

i'm the last person to do brompton propaganda. but, i understand shopping and marketing and consumerism. when i'm shopping for something, i'd rather pay a bit more for more functionality, style, maybe even brand, etc. if it means not purchasing something with limited functionality, etc. for the same or close to the same price. imo, the jifo is nutty.

i'm not particularly loyal to any brand. i'm loyal to what is being offered to me. the way you and pacific cyclist talk, it's like women are merely seduced by color. and that, perhaps, dahon has made this high-priced limited usage bike (<---my words) for a woman cuz the tires are little and the color is cute and everything.

but honestly, i have to say, i don't have a dog in this fight. you do. selling dahon bikes is part of your livelihood.

neither dahon, bike friday, brompton, or any other brand or maker walks on water to me. i could say critical things about all of the aforementioned brands. and, i could say positive things about them. it's all fair game to me. i'm not on their payroll.

the only dog i would have in this fight is the money i would spend to buy a bike from one of these or another maker. but again, dahon already has some of my money. lol.

personally, i think the jifo is a poor value for anyone buying it. and for $1000, it simply isn't cute enough, light enough, or functional enough for me. if someone asked me what they should get, and i do get asked, i would not tell them in a million years to get that.

at that price point, i would tell them to get a brompton. otherwise, i'd say go with the mu, speed, vitesse, etc. heck, pacific has a reach for around $1000, if you find it and it comes in green.

i do not get the point of the jifo at all.

now, what you call aggressive and combative, i call articulate and thoughtful. lmao.

brakemeister

ok .... no harm done ....
I do understand ..... and I am with you ....
I just got all twisted up about how you wrote it down I guess
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one mile. lmao. that is insane and a bit insulting.

this bike is kinda fug.

lmao. this is totally ridiculous.

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what I am saying is that everybody has choices and thats a good thing.... but its not ridicoulous and i am not laughing my a.. off either

forget the color.... the bike is smaller than usual and most woman are ....therefore it makes perfect sense to market it predominatly to woman ...although its big enough for guys as well.... as I said I am a little surprised about that bike ... I had big question marks before I actually rode it and much less concerns after I had about 20 people taking testruns with it ....

its pricey Im the first one to admit....

but ask a ultralight/experimental airplane owner, with a limited space and even bigger weight concerns about 900 dlr and he will laugh ( same for any sportier sailboats)
ask me if I like to carry 10lbs more or less up 3 flights of stairs

and and and
peace
thor

kamtsa

No need to play the victim.

fwd-bwd

Change of topic shall we? How does Jifo16 compare to Strida—another single speed/fast fold/city oriented bike?