Questions about folder options for very short rider
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Questions about folder options for very short rider
I am 4'10.5". Last winter I bought a Downtube folder for my sister's use when she was visiting. I found the bike convenient but the ride a bit harsh and the handlebars did not go down low enough as the handlebar post is too long. I am not used to such an extreme upright position. I ended up giving the Downtube to my sister as she loved it. But I would like to have a folder around. I travel a lot and I could take it with me on train trips. I also could easily throw it in my car. I thought about getting the suspension model of the Downtube but am concerned about fit.
My concern is finding a folder with handlebars that go low enough. Plus, the reach shouldn't be too far. I am concerned that many of the one size fits all bikes really have too long a reach.
Here I am on the Downtube, so you can get an idea of the fit. The handlebars are as low as they can go:
Any alternative suggestions? Is it possible to get shorter handlebar posts for a Downtube or Dahon? Or a different style of handlebar? Or am I stuck spending a lot of money for a Bike Friday? I would rather not spend big bucks for a casual ride.
(I love how most folders are advertised as fitting someone as short as 4'8". Yup, if you don't mind your arms way up in the air and stretched out.)
My concern is finding a folder with handlebars that go low enough. Plus, the reach shouldn't be too far. I am concerned that many of the one size fits all bikes really have too long a reach.
Here I am on the Downtube, so you can get an idea of the fit. The handlebars are as low as they can go:
Any alternative suggestions? Is it possible to get shorter handlebar posts for a Downtube or Dahon? Or a different style of handlebar? Or am I stuck spending a lot of money for a Bike Friday? I would rather not spend big bucks for a casual ride.
(I love how most folders are advertised as fitting someone as short as 4'8". Yup, if you don't mind your arms way up in the air and stretched out.)
Last edited by goldfinch; 12-19-12 at 08:33 PM.
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Finchie, I'm 5'4 so have some idea of what you're going through.
An absolute must for me is to test ride any bike (folding or not) before purchase unless I'm 100% certain the dimensions are correct. I'm a mechanic, so I can get a good idea 90% of the time from specs - it's the other 10% that might be a dealbreaker.
If you're that serious about folders, I'd recommend a Friday. You don't have to buy new - I've purchased most of my Fridays used - but you get bennies of custom stem options etc. So there is the possibility of buying a small used Friday, then spending a little more on a custom stem for your reach and height. Much cheaper than buying new.
I've not had much luck with small-people mods to other folders in general. I was able to get my Dahon Speed Pro TT to fit my reach by rotating the stem backwards (it's an odd design), though.
Don
An absolute must for me is to test ride any bike (folding or not) before purchase unless I'm 100% certain the dimensions are correct. I'm a mechanic, so I can get a good idea 90% of the time from specs - it's the other 10% that might be a dealbreaker.
If you're that serious about folders, I'd recommend a Friday. You don't have to buy new - I've purchased most of my Fridays used - but you get bennies of custom stem options etc. So there is the possibility of buying a small used Friday, then spending a little more on a custom stem for your reach and height. Much cheaper than buying new.
I've not had much luck with small-people mods to other folders in general. I was able to get my Dahon Speed Pro TT to fit my reach by rotating the stem backwards (it's an odd design), though.
Don
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Another thought, would narrow Soma Sparrow bars work on this bike or a similar Dahon? That would give some drop and bring the reach in a bit closer.
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Finchie, I'm 5'4 so have some idea of what you're going through.
An absolute must for me is to test ride any bike (folding or not) before purchase unless I'm 100% certain the dimensions are correct. I'm a mechanic, so I can get a good idea 90% of the time from specs - it's the other 10% that might be a dealbreaker.
If you're that serious about folders, I'd recommend a Friday. You don't have to buy new - I've purchased most of my Fridays used - but you get bennies of custom stem options etc. So there is the possibility of buying a small used Friday, then spending a little more on a custom stem for your reach and height. Much cheaper than buying new.
I've not had much luck with small-people mods to other folders in general. I was able to get my Dahon Speed Pro TT to fit my reach by rotating the stem backwards (it's an odd design), though.
Don
An absolute must for me is to test ride any bike (folding or not) before purchase unless I'm 100% certain the dimensions are correct. I'm a mechanic, so I can get a good idea 90% of the time from specs - it's the other 10% that might be a dealbreaker.
If you're that serious about folders, I'd recommend a Friday. You don't have to buy new - I've purchased most of my Fridays used - but you get bennies of custom stem options etc. So there is the possibility of buying a small used Friday, then spending a little more on a custom stem for your reach and height. Much cheaper than buying new.
I've not had much luck with small-people mods to other folders in general. I was able to get my Dahon Speed Pro TT to fit my reach by rotating the stem backwards (it's an odd design), though.
Don
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Have you test ridden a Dahon Curve? A Curve D3 should be available in your area to test ride.
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Thor aka Brakemeister has the aber hallo stem that might work for you.
https://www.thorusa.com/accessories/handlebar.htm
https://www.thorusa.com/accessories/handlebar.htm
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Thor aka Brakemeister has the aber hallo stem that might work for you.
https://www.thorusa.com/accessories/handlebar.htm
https://www.thorusa.com/accessories/handlebar.htm
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Was able to drop the DT Nova handle bar down by a little over an 1" by taking the post out and cutting off that the extra length with a pipe cutter tool from the hardware store. https://ace.imageg.net/graphics/produ...3001enh-z7.jpg
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Being more steeped in having 2 different Bromptons around..
There are things Brompton offers like the forward turned saddle adaptor pin option ,(closer)
and fitting a lower Straight bar in an M bar steering stanchions..(lower)
and the Mk2 frames are a bit shorter from seat tube to headset, than the newer Mk3 &4,
the fillet brazed, instead of cast hinges were used in that era, & not so many colors..
Find red or with Black parts or all black [afaik]
so, noting OP's budget consciousness, keep an eye out for a used sale..
There are things Brompton offers like the forward turned saddle adaptor pin option ,(closer)
and fitting a lower Straight bar in an M bar steering stanchions..(lower)
and the Mk2 frames are a bit shorter from seat tube to headset, than the newer Mk3 &4,
the fillet brazed, instead of cast hinges were used in that era, & not so many colors..
Find red or with Black parts or all black [afaik]
so, noting OP's budget consciousness, keep an eye out for a used sale..
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Thor aka Brakemeister has the aber hallo stem that might work for you.
https://www.thorusa.com/accessories/handlebar.htm
https://www.thorusa.com/accessories/handlebar.htm
there are some shorter stems plus the "comfort stem" also on thors site but you need the right bike to fit them on. You could contact thor by pm or e-mail or wait for him to hopefully chime in.
Did you look into the origami bikes? Member Pingis is selling them. Also search the forums for older threads with the same topic. Has been discussed before so there could be some useful information there.
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The Origami Fox will fit riders doun to about 4'4". You can call 804-350-6383 if you wish to discuss.
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Pinigis, I'll probably give you a call after the first of the year. I am going on a short trip and then want to check a Dahon dealer near st. pete to get an idea of what feels like what. It looks like bikes with 16 inch wheels are the options for the shorter rider. I also like the idea of Soma Sparrow bars.
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Was able to drop the DT Nova handle bar down by a little over an 1" by taking the post out and cutting off that the extra length with a pipe cutter tool from the hardware store. https://ace.imageg.net/graphics/produ...3001enh-z7.jpg
I also bought a pipe cutter a few months ago for making these sorts of mods and the best one for the money I was able to find was this:
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B005M2A3CQ/...0_M3C_ST1_dp_1
They make different sizes and the quality is fantastic!
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Also, another direction to go is to simply remove the folding handlebar assembly, put one of these stem risers in the fork:
and then attach one of these with a QR seatpost clamp:
https://shop.bacchettabikes.com/parts...tta-riser.html
...and you'll also need a second "seat" clamp on the fork to hold the headset tension and, if you want to tension it easily/reliably, a headset tensioner:
https://shop.bacchettabikes.com/parts/misc/bft.html
(and, FYI, there are also other manufacturers of similar parts that might be cheaper)
The handlebars won't fold, but they'll be quickly removable like the seat...I never liked folding handlebars anyway because I think handlebars are big and unwieldy enough to benefit from being nestled into the perfect spot (rather than simply being folded to wherever the folding mechanism can reach)...plus hinged folding bars are always so damn heavy!
and then attach one of these with a QR seatpost clamp:
https://shop.bacchettabikes.com/parts...tta-riser.html
...and you'll also need a second "seat" clamp on the fork to hold the headset tension and, if you want to tension it easily/reliably, a headset tensioner:
https://shop.bacchettabikes.com/parts/misc/bft.html
(and, FYI, there are also other manufacturers of similar parts that might be cheaper)
The handlebars won't fold, but they'll be quickly removable like the seat...I never liked folding handlebars anyway because I think handlebars are big and unwieldy enough to benefit from being nestled into the perfect spot (rather than simply being folded to wherever the folding mechanism can reach)...plus hinged folding bars are always so damn heavy!
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Chucky, these mods might be out of my league but I will consider these options too.
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I am bringing up my thread of better than a year ago. To review, I am 4'10.5" and trying to find a folder that fits. I want one that I can toss in the trunk of the car and ride when I visit various areas. I want one that I can take on Amtrak train trips. I want one that I can ride for at least 20-25 miles in relative comfort. I didn't get good help in Florida so I dropped the folder idea. This winter I am in Tucson and there are more options to try. I rode several Brompton set ups. I also tried a Tern and a Citizen. I am going to be trying a couple of Dahon's on Monday, both used.
The Brompton worked pretty well with the H bar as you could slant it in to bring in the reach. I really liked the fold. The ride was fine. I think I would consider putting Sparrow bars on it if I went that route. Anyone ever do that? Would it still fold nicely? If I am willing to spend the money for a Brompton, the issue is whether I am better off with a Bike Friday, which has a custom fit. However, I understand that the folds on the BF are not near as elegant, except maybe for the Tikit line. How do they compare in weight and comfort? How is the Tikit for riding 20 miles?
The Tern was simply too big. The big wheels were nice but the reach was terrible, with the handlebars too far and too high. Meh.
The cheapie Citizen (at $169) was surprisingly comfortable. Really short reach with nice low bars. The bike shop guy described the bike as cramped. Cramped for others means a fit for me. The bike does take up a lot of space folded, as compared to the Brompton. It felt very heavy, though it probably doesn't weigh much if any more than the Brompton.
So, I guess the dilemmas are determining (1) how important is a compact fold (I would use the bike when traveling, so yes, the fold is important), (2) how much money do I want to spend, and (3) how comfortable is the bike for distances of 20-25 miles.
The LBS in Tucson that carries the Brompton has a test ride day next weekend, I will try both the cheap Citizen and expensive Brompton over more miles.
Anything else I should be considering?
The Brompton worked pretty well with the H bar as you could slant it in to bring in the reach. I really liked the fold. The ride was fine. I think I would consider putting Sparrow bars on it if I went that route. Anyone ever do that? Would it still fold nicely? If I am willing to spend the money for a Brompton, the issue is whether I am better off with a Bike Friday, which has a custom fit. However, I understand that the folds on the BF are not near as elegant, except maybe for the Tikit line. How do they compare in weight and comfort? How is the Tikit for riding 20 miles?
The Tern was simply too big. The big wheels were nice but the reach was terrible, with the handlebars too far and too high. Meh.
The cheapie Citizen (at $169) was surprisingly comfortable. Really short reach with nice low bars. The bike shop guy described the bike as cramped. Cramped for others means a fit for me. The bike does take up a lot of space folded, as compared to the Brompton. It felt very heavy, though it probably doesn't weigh much if any more than the Brompton.
So, I guess the dilemmas are determining (1) how important is a compact fold (I would use the bike when traveling, so yes, the fold is important), (2) how much money do I want to spend, and (3) how comfortable is the bike for distances of 20-25 miles.
The LBS in Tucson that carries the Brompton has a test ride day next weekend, I will try both the cheap Citizen and expensive Brompton over more miles.
Anything else I should be considering?
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+1) a Built to order Bike Friday would fit great, because they would make it Just for you .
after you place the order and hash out the details, with them (toll free phone)
after you place the order and hash out the details, with them (toll free phone)
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Tell me about the Bike Friday fold. How portable are they? Is the Tikit the only one that folds easily?
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so does 20" wheel (my pocket Llama ) & their Silk, etc... folds pretty well , but a travel fold ..
does not have to be as repeatedly fast as a commuting fold ..
but tikit, by folding forward, seat height remains as before..
& it rolls on it's front wheel, folded .
does not have to be as repeatedly fast as a commuting fold ..
but tikit, by folding forward, seat height remains as before..
& it rolls on it's front wheel, folded .
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Smallwheeler, those Tikits are hot!
Next weekend I get to try a Brompton on a group ride, but the Tikit is making more sense. One of my problems with Bike Friday is I go on their site and start adding options to a bike and suddenly I have a Nuvinci 350 hub, belt drive, faster fold and spending $3000.
Next weekend I get to try a Brompton on a group ride, but the Tikit is making more sense. One of my problems with Bike Friday is I go on their site and start adding options to a bike and suddenly I have a Nuvinci 350 hub, belt drive, faster fold and spending $3000.
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You have an internal geared hub on your folder, if I recall? What are your thoughts on that? I like easy gears, I am a spinner. Is the gear range pretty acceptable for hilly areas? I'm not talking mountains.
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Mine .. It's a Rohloff .. 13.5 % spaced ( seems smaller as it gets lower)
so downward, (I presume) each gear is 86.4% of the higher one
on a 26" wheel the low limit is 16:38, same gear in a 20" wheel is a 16:53.. Im happy with it
[cog spares .. the 16 is the only one QBP stocks *]
so you could gear it Really low and use that same 16:38.. or any thing larger
* cycle monkey is including Rohloff USA . for the rest of them 13, 15, 17.
& all sorts of other spares..
if you really covet a closer ratio spread you could use the chain tensioner
and push the chain between 2 chainrings 7% apart ..
less money S-A 8 speed Use small chainring , as 2~8 are overdrive..
Nuvinci CVR hub is stepless Continuously Variable... there you just turn the grip till it feels right.
so downward, (I presume) each gear is 86.4% of the higher one
on a 26" wheel the low limit is 16:38, same gear in a 20" wheel is a 16:53.. Im happy with it
[cog spares .. the 16 is the only one QBP stocks *]
so you could gear it Really low and use that same 16:38.. or any thing larger
* cycle monkey is including Rohloff USA . for the rest of them 13, 15, 17.
& all sorts of other spares..
if you really covet a closer ratio spread you could use the chain tensioner
and push the chain between 2 chainrings 7% apart ..
less money S-A 8 speed Use small chainring , as 2~8 are overdrive..
Nuvinci CVR hub is stepless Continuously Variable... there you just turn the grip till it feels right.
Last edited by fietsbob; 02-02-14 at 11:40 PM.