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Old 08-25-21, 07:15 AM
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hey, photogs... heic to jpg, win 7?

I had not run into this before, my wife's iphone 12 gives .jpg files... but a friend just sent a bunch of photos in heic format... looking for a safe and good converter. With so many viruses and Trojans out there I don't want to just use any converter. Any recommendations. I went to the microsoft store, but they seem to want you to have win 10... sorry, not ready to make that jump yet. Win7 works fine for me, for now.
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Try this
https://www.guidingtech.com/switch-f...to-jpg-iphone/

There is a lot of info on how to do it on the net, I would suggest checking there to find one easy to understand and implement...I had the same problem, no issue after the change to my settings.
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Originally Posted by xiaoman1 View Post
Try this
https://www.guidingtech.com/switch-f...to-jpg-iphone/

There is a lot of info on how to do it on the net, I would suggest checking there to find one easy to understand and implement...I had the same problem, no issue after the change to my settings.
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Uh, fine, that IS the setting on my wife's phone, but not on the phone used by our friend, who took the pictures.
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Sorry I misread the request......can't recommend a "safe" app for conversion......best ask apple for one, unless others have found one and make a recommendation.
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I haven't tried it but paint.net with this plug-in might do it:

https://forums.getpaint.net/topic/11...us-11-03-2020/

Paint.net is useful for other things too.
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What's heic?
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Personally, I would upgrade to windows 10 right away if possible as there are security enhancements that are worth having, then you can add HEIF Image Extensions. With all the cyber threats around, it is really worth it.
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OK, I found a converter that works in win 7 and I started from a safe source... (the howtogeek place)
https://www.howtogeek.com/345504/how...totoc_anchor_1

https://www.copytrans.net/copytransh...m_nooverride=1

This worked great.

For the record, the Windows Store was totally useless... only offering "apps" that play in Win 10. (idjiots... about 22% of the world is still using win 7.) For me, that "upgrade" to win 10 requires the purchase of a lot of new software. Really an expensive PITA. (this is a "game" I have played since DOS 2.0... and it is just exhausting... )

Oh and the latest version of Windows... requires a special hardware upgrade:
  • Security: TPM version 2.0, UEFI firmware, Secure Boot capable
Nice job, Brownie...

No doubt, for me, that means a new $3000 or more computer. or at least a new MB, maybe memory and a CPU... all for TPM... sigh... at about $500-$700 or more. Oddly, I just looked at MB site... and no mention of TPM.

Asus, ASRock, Biostar, Gigabyte, and MSI are among the first motherboard makers to round up all of the chipsets that support TPM. Instead of a dedicated module, the TPM firmware uses power from the CPU for processing. This is enabled by Intel Platform Trust Technology (PTT), which is available on most consumer motherboards. It offers the same capabilities of discrete TPM, just without a dedicated module.

Although all of the chipsets below support firmware TPM, that doesn’t mean they all support Windows 11. Currently, CPU support only goes back to AMD Ryzen 2000 and Intel 8th-gen, but Microsoft says it’s testing older chips for support. Make sure to consult the list of supported AMD processors and supported Intel processors before upgrading.
https://www.digitaltrends.com/comput...pm-windows-11/
However, a lot of users with relatively new PCs (myself included) are coming up with big angry red crosses when running the app, saying, "Nope, sorry pal, your 10th Gen Intel CPU, Z590 motherboard and RTX 3070 Ti just aren't good enough." Which is bonkers, obviously.
When you use the Windows 11 compatibility checker, the message says the PC isn't compatible and the "learn more" button links you to Microsoft website, where the suggestion is "Buy a new PC" with a link to their own Microsoft store, selling Surface PCs. If the webpage stays about the same until launch, millions of users (because millions of people have PCs from before 2015, where TPM is disabled by default or missing completely) will see a notification that their PC "isn't good enough" and will be redirected to Microsoft's own store to buy a new product. This feels really scummy.

It's almost enough to make a guy switch to a Mac. Almost.
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Originally Posted by drewl View Post
Personally, I would upgrade to windows 10 right away if possible as there are security enhancements that are worth having, then you can add HEIF Image Extensions. With all the cyber threats around, it is really worth it.
"Right away." Sigh... my computer is not win 10 compatible... I checked long ago. So, new hardware time, again. I have boxes and boxes of old computers... want one?

I use Win 10 on a work computer. BFD. Same ole stuff, new "wrapper."
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heic is apple's new favorite format over jpg or tiff. close to raw, but not quite (raw now available on later models). Strongly recommend software Irfanview (google it). been using it for over 10yrs. add the plugin for heic codec and you can load and save in all the common formats from there. strongly recommend you migrate off Win7, really major security risk now.
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Originally Posted by Seattle Forrest View Post
What's heic?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_E...ge_File_Format

Files using that format have an .heic extension... which of course, in the Fruit world, is hidden.
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Originally Posted by genec View Post
For the record, the Windows Store was totally useless... only offering "apps" that play in Win 10. (idjiots... about 22% of the world is still using win 7.)
Gently nudging got customers toward buying more things from you is smart business. 🙂 But yeah the Windows Store isn't very useful and I think the consensus is you can get most things of the old fashioned way. In a situation like yours my first instinct would be to see if there's an SDK and then script a batch conversation. Actually that would be my backup plan after saying I wasn't able to open them and asking if they could be sent again in a common language.
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Originally Posted by Seattle Forrest View Post
Gently nudging got customers toward buying more things from you is smart business. 🙂 But yeah the Windows Store isn't very useful and I think the consensus is you can get most things of the old fashioned way. In a situation like yours my first instinct would be to see if there's an SDK and then script a batch conversation. Actually that would be my backup plan after saying I wasn't able to open them and asking if they could be sent again in a common language.
The problem is that "gentle nudge" can be quite costly... If I had upgraded to Win 10, when it first hit the market, that would have required new hardware... a Motherboard, at least.

Now, Win 11 is gently nudging at my door... requiring that I have a motherboard with a TPM module... Oh, gee, did that come with that last MB??? Maybe, or maybe not... and oddly enough, as I mentioned earlier... "Although all of the chipsets support firmware TPM, that doesnít mean they all support Windows 11." Hello, rock, meet hard place...

Now, for me, personally... all the damn upgrades I have done since DOS2.0... I believe I own at least a small part of Intel. I used to also upgrade the computers for the companies I worked for... But that stopped in about 1995... IT people then took that task... I just retained the task of testing and specifying the CAD design software and maintaining the licenses and libraries.

(actually, in the past, I often skipped generations of either hardware or software upgrades... so no doubt I am only into all of this computing stuff for 10s of thousands of dollars... for some odd reason, it seems that every new computer cost roughly $3000... but delivered vastly better results... seems to be a fixed price point)
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I personally utilize Adobe to do my conversion(s) for work. Our broker requires that we take pictures of all deficiencies and such. I have to take these and format them and compress them down to .pdf. All the newer Apple phones have that as an option, and I also think you can use it with the new Samsung phones. You can purchase an extension from the Microsoft store to deal with them. Handily there are many ways to manipulate a .pdf back to pretty much anything you want.
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Originally Posted by Juan Foote View Post
I personally utilize Adobe to do my conversion(s) for work. Our broker requires that we take pictures of all deficiencies and such. I have to take these and format them and compress them down to .pdf. All the newer Apple phones have that as an option, and I also think you can use it with the new Samsung phones. You can purchase an extension from the Microsoft store to deal with them. Handily there are many ways to manipulate a .pdf back to pretty much anything you want.
What I just read indicated that even Adobe does not natively deal with .heic files, which I thought was rather strange, given their position in the graphics marketplace... and the fact that Apple came out with this format back in 2017. (of course, I might have been reading old info...)

.pdf is another thing all together... and here Adobe also irritates me, as they want me to pay for a subscription for something I do maybe twice a year. Uh, no thanks. There is freeware out there for simple conversions. Professionally, the company work for just dropped Adobe for a tool called Nitro. No, it doesn't have the same power, but it does a lot, and not every one needs the full power of Adobe. This is where the big companies screw themselves with their subscription requirements.

Currently I use CorelDraw for my little bit of graphics work... and I paid for various versions over the years as upgrades. Now they are bugging me to go subscription. No thanks. What I have now does just what I need. I don't need yet another drain on my wallet for simple graphics editing.

BTW, my son, who does video work, has a license that he turns on and off as he needs it. That works for him.
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genec One of my professional friends suggested Nitro (which is also a pay service). There are aspects of it that I like, but found out that Adobe does all the same things, just as easily once you figure out the process. What I particularly like about Adobe is that it will also work well for many text forms. The only thing I constantly have trouble out of there are items that have been manipulated on an iPhone, which about half our techs use. In that case we use a site online called .pdf escape which works pretty darn well too, and is free.
I personally pay the $15 a month for the Adobe. Our owner wants us to use freeware when we can, but the time saved and convenience made it worth paying for myself. I learn more about it all the time. It's a very powerful bit of software in the right hands (not mine, lol).
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Originally Posted by Juan Foote View Post
genec One of my professional friends suggested Nitro (which is also a pay service). There are aspects of it that I like, but found out that Adobe does all the same things, just as easily once you figure out the process. What I particularly like about Adobe is that it will also work well for many text forms. The only thing I constantly have trouble out of there are items that have been manipulated on an iPhone, which about half our techs use. In that case we use a site online called .pdf escape which works pretty darn well too, and is free.
I personally pay the $15 a month for the Adobe. Our owner wants us to use freeware when we can, but the time saved and convenience made it worth paying for myself. I learn more about it all the time. It's a very powerful bit of software in the right hands (not mine, lol).
Adobe IS quite powerful. But I hardly want to pay for all that power when all I would use it for is making a simple .pdf once or twice a year... Based on $15 a month that works out to $90 a document... a bit pricey. People that need the power... all power to them.
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I had not run into this before, my wife's iphone 12 gives .jpg files... but a friend just sent a bunch of photos in heic format... looking for a safe and good converter. With so many viruses and Trojans out there I don't want to just use any converter. Any recommendations. I went to the microsoft store, but they seem to want you to have win 10... sorry, not ready to make that jump yet. Win7 works fine for me, for now.
I'm a photographer and this is first I've heard of HEIC. But I admit to not having a single Apple device. Apple is all about doing stuff that confound non apple users. Even if you get them to display on your Windoze machine, they will probably be sideways or upside down. Just send them to the bin and ask you friend to resend in JPG.
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Originally Posted by teejaywhy View Post
I'm a photographer and this is first I've heard of HEIC. But I admit to not having a single Apple device. Apple is all about doing stuff that confound non apple users. Even if you get them to display on your Windoze machine, they will probably be sideways or upside down. Just send them to the bin and ask you friend to resend in JPG.
LOL... they are not computer literate... after all, they use Fruit products.

He told me over and over he was having problems with his email... so that just isn't gonna happen. I managed to convert the files just fine, and yes, I can rotate them just fine. Of the hundred files, maybe a dozen are good enough to use... but that too is fine. The conversion was quite fast. I'll modify them further and use them for a band promo flyer or webpage.

Yeah, .heic was a new one on me. I usually get .jpg from my wife's Fruit Fone 12.

BTW I had to convert a video file a while back... it was upside down... Used a tool called "Handbrake" for that... worked pretty darn well.
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The problem is that "gentle nudge" can be quite costly... If I had upgraded to Win 10, when it first hit the market, that would have required new hardware... a Motherboard, at least.

Now, Win 11 is gently nudging at my door... requiring that I have a motherboard with a TPM module... Oh, gee, did that come with that last MB??? Maybe, or maybe not... and oddly enough, as I mentioned earlier... "Although all of the chipsets support firmware TPM, that doesnít mean they all support Windows 11." Hello, rock, meet hard place...

Now, for me, personally... all the damn upgrades I have done since DOS2.0... I believe I own at least a small part of Intel. I used to also upgrade the computers for the companies I worked for... But that stopped in about 1995... IT people then took that task... I just retained the task of testing and specifying the CAD design software and maintaining the licenses and libraries.

(actually, in the past, I often skipped generations of either hardware or software upgrades... so no doubt I am only into all of this computing stuff for 10s of thousands of dollars... for some odd reason, it seems that every new computer cost roughly $3000... but delivered vastly better results... seems to be a fixed price point)

Yup, quoting myself here... I just happened to see this little news item...
hen Microsoft first announced Windows 11, it increased the system requirements for the OS for the first time since Windows 7 was released. While there were increases in the amount of RAM and storage needed, and thereís a TPM 2.0 requirement, the biggest change came to CPU requirements. With Windows 11, you need an Intel eighth-gen or newer, an AMD Zen 2 or newer processor, or a Qualcomm Snapdragon 850 or newer.

There was a lot of backlash around that, because naturally, it leaves a lot of people unable to upgrade to Windows 11. A few days later, Microsoft said that it would reevaluate Intel seventh-gen and AMD Zen 1 chips for Windows 11. But today, the company announced that it reevaluated, and for the most part, itís sticking to its guns.

First of all, nothing is changing for AMD Zen processors. If you were hoping for some luck on that end, itís just not happening.
https://www.xda-developers.com/windo...en-processors/

Oh, that's nice... so as I ranted about earlier... If you bought a computer to upgrade to Win10, and then thought you were just going to "slide into" Win11 because you have a TPM chip... oops... better have the right processor too... and as of right now, it isn't AMD.

All this at a time when some chips are simply difficult to get... Due to COVID.

And ya'll wonder why I still use WIN 7....
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What a surprise that technology continues to advance? Why can't I run it on a 286?

At some point, if you want modern features you have to run modern software on modern hardware. It sounds like people are complaining because a new operating system that hasn't even been released yet isn't antiquated enough. Shrugs.
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What a surprise that technology continues to advance? Why can't I run it on a 286?

At some point, if you want modern features you have to run modern software on modern hardware. It sounds like people are complaining because a new operating system that hasn't even been released yet isn't antiquated enough. Shrugs.
Well the problem I have is that the hardware I am running, along with the memory, and video board IS pretty much bleeding edge... except for the lack of TPM. Hardly a 286.

But, it appears that MS is allowing workarounds.

Microsoft is announcing today that it won’t block people from installing Windows 11 on most older PCs. While the software maker has recommended hardware requirements for Windows 11 — which it’s largely sticking to — a restriction to install the OS will only be enforced when you try to upgrade from Windows 10 to Windows 11 through Windows Update. This means anyone with a PC with an older CPU that doesn’t officially pass the upgrade test can still go ahead and download an ISO file of Windows 11 and install the OS manually.

It’s a big change that means
millions of PCs won’t be left behind, technically. Consumers will still need to go to the effort of downloading an ISO file and manually installing Windows 11, which the vast majority probably won’t do. But for those happy to install Windows manually, the actual minimum Windows 11 specs mean that CPU generations don’t matter, as long as you have a 64-bit 1GHz processor with two or more cores, 4GB of RAM, and 64GB of storage.Microsoft won’t be officially supporting any Zen 1 CPUs, despite testing them recently. “After carefully analyzing the first generation of AMD Zen processors in partnership with AMD, together we concluded that there are no additions to the supported CPU list,” says Microsoft’s Windows team in a blog post today.

Obviously there is a workaround to install Windows 11 on these older AMD systems, but Microsoft says devices that don’t meet the minimum hardware requirements “had 52 percent more kernel mode crashes.” Devices that meet the official minimum specs “had a 99.8 percent crash free experience,” says Microsoft.
https://www.theverge.com/22644194/mi...essors-changes

I am running i7 intel CPU at 3.00 GHz with 32 GB of RAM on a 64 bit platform with 500Gb boot SSD and a 1Tb data SSD. <---- oops, forgot, just upped that to 2Tb last month... those SSDs are getting cheap and are blazing fast.

Upgrading the MOBO would give me the latest USB 3.whatever and I would probably go to i9. Multithreading and multiple cores are critical to the work I do. My laptop is running a XEON processor.

Hardly "286s." I do have some old 386 and Pentium machines sitting in boxes... Hate to just throw them away... someday I'll put Linux on them, maybe... sure, that's the ticket.

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Oh BTW... modern features... sure, like touch screens and Win 8...

And MS Surface computers are a joke. Oh yeah, "business computers" that let you run a word processor or a spreadsheet... This surface pro 7 is similar to what I have been running for years...

i7/32/1TB This configuration includes an 11th Gen Intelģ Core™ i7 Processor, 32GB RAM, and 1TB SSD storage.

And no, I am not a gamer, but I run CAD, ECAD and simulation software... boring, relative to games, but very CPU and video intensive.
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I read about somebody who retuned a cartoon of milk because it was expired. It wasn't 2 weeks ago when she bought it, but wasn't satisfied that it became expired. You seen to be saying you aren't satisfied with a product the isn't even available for sale because it didn't support hardware you bought in the past. I agree this is a frustrating kind of situation, but not they process should just stop to avoid it.
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Originally Posted by Seattle Forrest View Post
I read about somebody who retuned a cartoon of milk because it was expired. It wasn't 2 weeks ago when she bought it, but wasn't satisfied that it became expired. You seen to be saying you aren't satisfied with a product the isn't even available for sale because it didn't support hardware you bought in the past. I agree this is a frustrating kind of situation, but not they process should just stop to avoid it.
I think the biggest complaint is that if I had merely upgraded for Win 10, there is a good chance that the hardware may not work for Win 11...

I don't mind an upgrade every 5 or so years... Like I said... USB 3.1, and i9 CPU would be nice. But to then be slammed with TPM and maybe "your processor is not acceptable." (I did stop using AMD quite a long time ago... ) That's just a lousy game. It's not the cost, it's the hassle of reinstalling and tuning all the damn software... that will take from 2 days to a week.

As it is, over the years... I did up the video board (twice), the RAM, and the HDDs to SSDs... so it is an "evolving computer." And sadly, it isn't just the computers... some software needs to be upgraded too. Laptops I just use out of the box.

Oh well... just a whine. I'll get around to it, and then put yet another "old" computer into a box.

Funny thing... decades ago as dial up increased in speed... I went through modem after modem until I finally went to a cable connection. I took a box full of those old modems down to Baja and gave them to a fledgling internet provider in a little village down there. Got a nice fish dinner for that, and they were quite happy.
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