Anyone know why Litespeed gave up on integrated headsets? ( no guesses please!)
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Anyone know why Litespeed gave up on integrated headsets? ( no guesses please!)
Anyone know why Litespeed gave up on integrated headsets? ( no guesses please!)
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Originally Posted by kirbyx
Anyone know why Litespeed gave up on integrated headsets? ( no guesses please!)
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because
Because the head tubes kept coming back broken. They couldn't warranty something like that that kept breaking. I worked for Lynskey for a while(the Litespeed family's new company) and that was a question that I've had to answer before
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An overtightened or loose headset will wreck the headset. An overtightened or loose integrated headset will wreck the frame. What one would you rather replace?
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Well since Litespeed used cups the wreck the frame argument holds no water. If you read the Litespeed forums that used to be on the website it was mainly due to customer feedback. They also ahd a problem on the frames the first year with the cups themselves being out of spec.
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Well since Litespeed used cups the wreck the frame argument holds no water.
Just in case you missed what I said first time, here it is again:
An overtightened or loose headset will wreck the headset. An overtightened or loose integrated headset will wreck the frame. What one would you rather replace?
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Because they felt tight and in other words....like CRAP...YES all Caps for that word. No good adjustment, and it was not possible to work out any imperfections on an integrated system. That is why most everyone rolls with a KING HS, or Cane Creek.
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Originally Posted by kirbyx
Anyone know why Litespeed gave up on integrated headsets? ( no guesses please!)
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Originally Posted by Neil H
So, if they're using cups, that's not integrated.....
Then again most terms in the bike industry are largely irrelevant or wrong, such as 'mitreing is actually coping', and 'compact actually means sloping'.
Speaking of irrelevant and wrong, I wonder how that frameforum website is going?
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well if the intergrated headsets don't work why does it seem that every bmx manufactuer spec their bikes with them?
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Originally Posted by Thylacine
Well, Columbus sells integrated cups that you braze into the frame....
Speaking of irrelevant and wrong, I wonder how that frameforum website is going?
Speaking of irrelevant and wrong, I wonder how that frameforum website is going?
Frameforum is doing just great, as you well know. ( My server/hosting company automatically logs IP adresses). Built any good frames lately?
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Originally Posted by ogdmfg
well if the intergrated headsets don't work why does it seem that every bmx manufactuer spec their bikes with them?
The wall thicknesses and tube diameters used in BMX head tubes are far greater than those used in road bikes.
BMX bikes typically use straight head tubes with pressed-in races as opposed to flared head tubes found in Litespeed's and others. In other words; a different system of integration.
Typically, a BMX frame will have a head tube of 90-100mm in length. There is adequate bracing from the top and down tubes to resist deformation, or 'ovalising' of the head tube.
Typically, BMX bikes are production-line assembled. Integrated headsets allow for faster production-line assembly, the main reason for their popularity and introduction by assembly-line manufacturers.
New is not always better. Other "hip but *****" ideas include:
Biopace
10mm pitch track drivetrains
Elevated chainstays
U-brakes
Add integrated headsets to the list and you can call yourself a free thinker. Don't and you're just giving in to fashion diktat.
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Hmmm... I see your point, but I would have to say have you even looked at any of the new generation bmx frames? the are using alot of the same tubing that the road crowd uses. I know this because my new bmx framesets use the same wall thickness, the intergated headsets have an advantage of dropping over a .25 pound off of the over all weight of the completed bike.
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Originally Posted by ogdmfg
Hmmm... I see your point, but I would have to say have you even looked at any of the new generation bmx frames? the are using alot of the same tubing that the road crowd uses. I know this because my new bmx framesets use the same wall thickness, the intergated headsets have an advantage of dropping over a .25 pound off of the over all weight of the completed bike.
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I have been very civil on this matter, not only do I bmx frames but also road and mtn frames,where do you get off being so jaded,last time I checked this was a forum on framebuilding not being an internet bully. Oh and the topic where does it say T-I-T-A-N-I-U-M.
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Originally Posted by ogdmfg
I have been very civil on this matter, not only do I bmx frames but also road and mtn frames,where do you get off being so jaded,last time I checked this was a forum on framebuilding not being an internet bully. Oh and the topic where does it say T-I-T-A-N-I-U-M.
I'm being civil too. Being "jaded" would be to say " well, the guy is obviously talking out his a55 and hasn't engaged his brain before posting, but hey, that's OK, that's what the internet is about; misinformation. i won't bother to reply"
I hope you pay a bit more attention when you're welding.....
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Originally Posted by MattC
Well since Litespeed used cups the wreck the frame argument holds no water. If you read the Litespeed forums that used to be on the website it was mainly due to customer feedback. They also ahd a problem on the frames the first year with the cups themselves being out of spec.
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The forming of the bells at the ends of the headtube along with the way it was crimped down to supposedly make it more aero overworked the very thin walled ti tubing. There was also no way to align the cups after they were pressed in the frame, so if the headtube was not straight there was not way to fix it.