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MattC48 08-04-15 07:45 PM

Cutting a cable lock and some general security questions
 
Hey everyone, I own a Raleigh Misceo 2.0 and when I purchased it I had never planned to leave it outside unattended. I'll be going to college in a month though and the parking fee's are so ridiculous that I'm going to try to ride most days. Now I'm stuck with the task of securing it. I have the small Kryptonite Evolution chain for the rear wheel/frame and I purchased a cable lock (this one) to secure my front tire to my main lock. It does that just fine but obviously this thing is way too big, my local MEC doesn't even stock the smaller one. Can I just cut this in half and loop the ends to make 2 of them, and if so what is the best way to do this? I like the thickness of it because even if they are still easy to cut it at least defers attempts at it from less willing thieves.
Additionally, in regards to all the quick release parts of my bike, is a product like Pinheads really worth the price? I've watched youtube videos of people undoing those with a gator socket pretty easily. Maybe a better option is security type bolts from a hardware store?

CeeDotA 08-04-15 08:51 PM

Can you store the bike in your room?

Marcus_Ti 08-04-15 08:55 PM


Originally Posted by CeeDotA (Post 18045481)
Can you store the bike in your room?

This.

The only way to be 95% certain you bike will be in your possession when you wake up, is for it to be locked indoors. Any bike locked outside has a sign on it saying "I'm free steal me with your bolt cutters".

Any cable you can cut with bolt cutters, someone else can cut just as easily or more easily.

Dave Cutter 08-04-15 09:13 PM

How to lock your bicycle: https://youtu.be/ryY-qMFLcfo

2manybikes 08-04-15 09:25 PM


Originally Posted by MattC48 (Post 18045267)
Hey everyone, I own a Raleigh Misceo 2.0 and when I purchased it I had never planned to leave it outside unattended. I'll be going to college in a month though and the parking fee's are so ridiculous that I'm going to try to ride most days. Now I'm stuck with the task of securing it. I have the small Kryptonite Evolution chain for the rear wheel/frame and I purchased a cable lock (this one) to secure my front tire to my main lock. It does that just fine but obviously this thing is way too big, my local MEC doesn't even stock the smaller one. Can I just cut this in half and loop the ends to make 2 of them, and if so what is the best way to do this? I like the thickness of it because even if they are still easy to cut it at least defers attempts at it from less willing thieves.
Additionally, in regards to all the quick release parts of my bike, is a product like Pinheads really worth the price? I've watched youtube videos of people undoing those with a gator socket pretty easily. Maybe a better option is security type bolts from a hardware store?

College campuses are high risk of bike theft almost everywhere. If you are locking up in the day be where everyone can see your bike easily. Big thick Kryptonite locks. Go to the Kryptonite website where they show you how to lock the bike with the front wheel alongside the back wheel. Any quick release parts switch to nuts and bolts. Security bolts are a good idea.

The bike really needs to be inside at night.

MattC48 08-04-15 09:29 PM

The cable is just for the front tire. I should've clarified that I'm not living on campus, the college is about a 30min walk from me. The bike stays inside otherwise. The piece of metal they use on cable locks to clamp the loop, is there a name for those? Can you buy it from a hardware store?

Edit: Upon further research there is also a fenced in bike compound with camera's at the college that you can use for the year for $5

79pmooney 08-04-15 10:01 PM

One version of that piece of metal is a "Nicopress". Common in sailboat rigging though I think they started with telephone companies. Look for a boatyard that deals with sailboats. Call ahead to make sure they have the fitting for your wire size. If they have the fitting, they will also have the tool (which you will pay them to use, they won't lend or rent it out).

You could also try a full service hardware store. I haven't tries that option. Since I used to sail and have always lived close to saltwater, finding sailmakers has never been hard. Plus I have a small Nicopress tool. (Used to own a boat.)

MattC48 08-04-15 11:18 PM

Thank you, you've pointed me in the right direction. I guess it's just called an aluminum swage sleeve.

HvPnyrs 08-05-15 06:37 AM

A Defence in Depth is best for YOUR NEW BIKE on Campus
 
O.P.
I would recommend 'networking' with Engineering Course Students and/or Faculty to find out if the on Campus 'Fab Center' (Fabrication Center/aka Metal shop or Machine shop) has the tools and knowledge to 'REWORK' your cable (assuming Your campus has Materials Engineering/Science courses available).
DON'T be 'Too Good'/'Proud' to get to know the 'Campus Maintenance'/'Facility's Maintenance' staff (They always have a 'Shop Area' available to facilitate/expedite repairs).
Maintenance may be your ONLY, on campus, option should you be attending an (SHUDDERS... JK, JK) ARTS, BUSINESS, or LEGAL Campus.

I'M NOT feeling comfortable TRUSTING the SECURITY OF such a THIN CHAIN as your "small Evo" to protect a fairly new, approx $400 - $500 hybrid in the type of threat environment that is typical of the Large Metro Campus. My experience has been that supposedly "secure" communal bike facilities are remarkably POROUS.
I would use the small Evo CHAIN to secure front DISC BRAKE wheel and as a Secondary Anchoring Lock.

I would MOST STRONGLY urge you to seriously consider UPGRADING to a 'BEEFY' U-Lock as Primary Anchor Lock (absolute minimum) "Standard Size" 'Big 'K' Evolution "Series 4" (4 x 9 inch x *14mm* ). 'Std.size' 'O.G.' Pitbull (4.5 x 9 inch x *14mm* ). They both weigh approx. 3.5 lbs. (about 8 ounces less than a 2 liter/half gallon Cola/Milk).
At the SAME weight (3.5 lbs.) but a BIG STEP UP in Price, Quality, PROTECTION (Std. Size 'Big 'K' New York / Std. Size 'O.G.' "Brute" level protection, both of these bad-boys 'weigh in' at approx. 4 lbs.) is the ABUS Granit X-Plus 540 (230mm length shackle) - Checked U.S. Amazon $150... OUCH!! Price has gone up since I purchased the previous generation Granit X-Plus 54.

MattC48 08-05-15 04:54 PM


Originally Posted by HvPnyrs (Post 18046164)
O.P.
I would recommend 'networking' with Engineering Course Students and/or Faculty to find out if the on Campus 'Fab Center' (Fabrication Center/aka Metal shop or Machine shop) has the tools and knowledge to 'REWORK' your cable (assuming Your campus has Materials Engineering/Science courses available).
DON'T be 'Too Good'/'Proud' to get to know the 'Campus Maintenance'/'Facility's Maintenance' staff (They always have a 'Shop Area' available to facilitate/expedite repairs).
Maintenance may be your ONLY, on campus, option should you be attending an (SHUDDERS... JK, JK) ARTS, BUSINESS, or LEGAL Campus.

I'M NOT feeling comfortable TRUSTING the SECURITY OF such a THIN CHAIN as your "small Evo" to protect a fairly new, approx $400 - $500 hybrid in the type of threat environment that is typical of the Large Metro Campus. My experience has been that supposedly "secure" communal bike facilities are remarkably POROUS.
I would use the small Evo CHAIN to secure front DISC BRAKE wheel and as a Secondary Anchoring Lock.

I would MOST STRONGLY urge you to seriously consider UPGRADING to a 'BEEFY' U-Lock as Primary Anchor Lock (absolute minimum) "Standard Size" 'Big 'K' Evolution "Series 4" (4 x 9 inch x *14mm* ). 'Std.size' 'O.G.' Pitbull (4.5 x 9 inch x *14mm* ). They both weigh approx. 3.5 lbs. (about 8 ounces less than a 2 liter/half gallon Cola/Milk).
At the SAME weight (3.5 lbs.) but a BIG STEP UP in Price, Quality, PROTECTION (Std. Size 'Big 'K' New York / Std. Size 'O.G.' "Brute" level protection, both of these bad-boys 'weigh in' at approx. 4 lbs.) is the ABUS Granit X-Plus 540 (230mm length shackle) - Checked U.S. Amazon $150... OUCH!! Price has gone up since I purchased the previous generation Granit X-Plus 54.

If they have the tools to get through the chain I doubt the U-Lock would stop them. I haven't found a video of anyone getting through the chain but you'd have to cut through both sides of it. They failed in this test The Best Bike Lock | The Sweethome . If we're talking large bolt cutters and power tools there really is no lock that would hold up. Last year there was 9 reported bike thefts on the campus, and I don't believe any of them were from the compound. You buy the key to gain access to that and then lock up inside of it, it's enclosed with a massive iron fence and in a very public area. Most of the bike thefts in town occur downtown with unlocked or not properly locked bikes, seems to be crackheads using them to get from point A to B.

PS My pops is maintenance, he has everything I need here, he's just on vacation right now lol.

Marcus_Ti 08-05-15 06:27 PM


Originally Posted by 79pmooney (Post 18045632)
One version of that piece of metal is a "Nicopress". Common in sailboat rigging though I think they started with telephone companies. Look for a boatyard that deals with sailboats. Call ahead to make sure they have the fitting for your wire size. If they have the fitting, they will also have the tool (which you will pay them to use, they won't lend or rent it out).

You could also try a full service hardware store. I haven't tries that option. Since I used to sail and have always lived close to saltwater, finding sailmakers has never been hard. Plus I have a small Nicopress tool. (Used to own a boat.)

Just about any hardware store should have nicopress hardware for steel rope. At work we work the stuff all the time, keeping a stock of 3/8 and 1/4 steel for theatre rigging.

That being said, all you need is a pair of bolt cutters, and a good pair of bicepts, and it comes apart like butter....which is how you cut steel rope in the first place, just need good cutting blades (ours at work tend to be constantly chipped and worn).


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