Ejecting water bottle cage.
#26
Mad bike riding scientist




Joined: Nov 2004
Posts: 29,210
Likes: 6,286
From: Denver, CO
Bikes: Some silver ones, a red one, a black and orange one, and a few titanium ones
When I ride with a large group, at least once during the ride, a water bottle gets ejected from its cage. Hey, what's the deal with that?
I ride with old chromed steel TA cages and my bottles stay put.
Or perhaps it's intentional? Is there some new electronic assist bottle cage that helps you remove your bottle quicker?
Inquiring minds want to know.
I ride with old chromed steel TA cages and my bottles stay put.
Or perhaps it's intentional? Is there some new electronic assist bottle cage that helps you remove your bottle quicker?
Inquiring minds want to know.
It's nothing new either. My wife lost a water bottle in Utah that made for a dry ride back to the car. I've lost a couple of bottles while mountain biking that made for dry rides.
Of course all that went away with the invention...and use...of Camelbaks. No bottle to eject and if the Camelbak hits the ground, you have larger problems to deal with
__________________
Stuart Black
Dreamin' of Bemidji Down the Mississippi (in part)
Plan Epsilon Around Lake Michigan in the era of Covid
Gold Fever Three days of dirt in Colorado
Pokin' around the Poconos A cold ride around Lake Erie
Dinosaurs in Colorado A mountain bike guide to the Purgatory Canyon dinosaur trackway
Solo Without Pie. The search for pie in the Midwest.
Picking the Scablands. Washington and Oregon, 2005. Pie and spiders on the Columbia River!
Stuart Black
Dreamin' of Bemidji Down the Mississippi (in part)
Plan Epsilon Around Lake Michigan in the era of Covid
Gold Fever Three days of dirt in Colorado
Pokin' around the Poconos A cold ride around Lake Erie
Dinosaurs in Colorado A mountain bike guide to the Purgatory Canyon dinosaur trackway
Solo Without Pie. The search for pie in the Midwest.
Picking the Scablands. Washington and Oregon, 2005. Pie and spiders on the Columbia River!
#28
- Soli Deo Gloria -
Joined: Aug 2015
Posts: 14,779
Likes: 743
From: Northwest Georgia
Bikes: 2018 Rodriguez Custom Fixed Gear, 2017 Niner RLT 9 RDO, 2015 Bianchi Pista, 2002 Fuji Robaix
It isn't just about tightness or clamping force although that can be a reason for ejection.
My experience is that water bottles eject when the lip at the top of the cage doesn't mate with the groove in the bottle correctly. This isn't the only reason but one of the main reasons.
Bad...

Good...

The higher quality bottle in the bottom picture takes significantly more effort to remove from the cage and "clicks" into the cage when inserted. The bottle in the top pic isn't even held by the cage. These are high end FSA Speed Cages pictured.
If you want clamping force then get X-Lab Gorilla or Gorilla XT cages. Together with properly shaped bottles you should never have an ejection again.
-Tim-
My experience is that water bottles eject when the lip at the top of the cage doesn't mate with the groove in the bottle correctly. This isn't the only reason but one of the main reasons.
Bad...
Good...

The higher quality bottle in the bottom picture takes significantly more effort to remove from the cage and "clicks" into the cage when inserted. The bottle in the top pic isn't even held by the cage. These are high end FSA Speed Cages pictured.
If you want clamping force then get X-Lab Gorilla or Gorilla XT cages. Together with properly shaped bottles you should never have an ejection again.
-Tim-
Last edited by TimothyH; 08-15-16 at 09:31 AM.
#29
Senior Member

Joined: Jun 2010
Posts: 2,611
Likes: 478
With the exception of the side entry cage I use on my fat bike, every plastic or carbon cage that I've used is a bottle launcher. I stick with stainless cages and I use the Elite aluminum cage with the gel inserts on my gravel bike: that thing is designed for P-R and has an iron grip.
#30
Senior Member
Joined: Jul 2013
Posts: 58
Likes: 0
From: Olinda, Brazil
Bikes: Focus Black Forrest 3.0 2013, Caloi Sprint 2010, Caloi ????
#31
- Soli Deo Gloria -
Joined: Aug 2015
Posts: 14,779
Likes: 743
From: Northwest Georgia
Bikes: 2018 Rodriguez Custom Fixed Gear, 2017 Niner RLT 9 RDO, 2015 Bianchi Pista, 2002 Fuji Robaix
The material the cage is made out of has nothing to do with the bottle ejecting or not.
#34
Me duelen las nalgas

Joined: Aug 2015
Posts: 13,519
Likes: 2,832
From: Texas
Bikes: Centurion Ironman, Trek 5900, Univega Via Carisma, Globe Carmel
The Arundel Looney Bin adjustable bottle cage seems pricey at $25, but might be worth it to retain an expensive thermos, or bottle of wine or whatever adult beverage you prefer.
I use a $6 Blackburn MC-1 aluminum cage. Very secure with Polar and Gatorade 24 oz bottles. If I hit anything hard enough to displace a Polar bottle I'll have a lot more to worry about than a lost bottle. It's almost too snug with Polar bottles. Just about right with the reused Gatorade bottles, but I don't expect those to last long before cracking.
I use a $6 Blackburn MC-1 aluminum cage. Very secure with Polar and Gatorade 24 oz bottles. If I hit anything hard enough to displace a Polar bottle I'll have a lot more to worry about than a lost bottle. It's almost too snug with Polar bottles. Just about right with the reused Gatorade bottles, but I don't expect those to last long before cracking.
#35
Mad bike riding scientist




Joined: Nov 2004
Posts: 29,210
Likes: 6,286
From: Denver, CO
Bikes: Some silver ones, a red one, a black and orange one, and a few titanium ones
Metal cages as I pointed out above can get bent with use or straight from the factory and may need to be bent back into shape so that they grip the bottle better.
From the standpoint of bottle cage interaction, a plastic cage and a plastic bottle has slightly less friction than a plastic bottle and a metal cage would.
__________________
Stuart Black
Dreamin' of Bemidji Down the Mississippi (in part)
Plan Epsilon Around Lake Michigan in the era of Covid
Gold Fever Three days of dirt in Colorado
Pokin' around the Poconos A cold ride around Lake Erie
Dinosaurs in Colorado A mountain bike guide to the Purgatory Canyon dinosaur trackway
Solo Without Pie. The search for pie in the Midwest.
Picking the Scablands. Washington and Oregon, 2005. Pie and spiders on the Columbia River!
Stuart Black
Dreamin' of Bemidji Down the Mississippi (in part)
Plan Epsilon Around Lake Michigan in the era of Covid
Gold Fever Three days of dirt in Colorado
Pokin' around the Poconos A cold ride around Lake Erie
Dinosaurs in Colorado A mountain bike guide to the Purgatory Canyon dinosaur trackway
Solo Without Pie. The search for pie in the Midwest.
Picking the Scablands. Washington and Oregon, 2005. Pie and spiders on the Columbia River!
#36
- Soli Deo Gloria -
Joined: Aug 2015
Posts: 14,779
Likes: 743
From: Northwest Georgia
Bikes: 2018 Rodriguez Custom Fixed Gear, 2017 Niner RLT 9 RDO, 2015 Bianchi Pista, 2002 Fuji Robaix
Well, it does to...a certain extent. Bottle cages made of plastic (including carbon) can't bend. If the bottle ejects from the start, it will eject forever. Not much you can do to stop it. On the other hand, if the cage never ejects a bottle, it probably won't ever eject one because it stays the same shape.
Metal cages as I pointed out above can get bent with use or straight from the factory and may need to be bent back into shape so that they grip the bottle better.
From the standpoint of bottle cage interaction, a plastic cage and a plastic bottle has slightly less friction than a plastic bottle and a metal cage would.
Metal cages as I pointed out above can get bent with use or straight from the factory and may need to be bent back into shape so that they grip the bottle better.
From the standpoint of bottle cage interaction, a plastic cage and a plastic bottle has slightly less friction than a plastic bottle and a metal cage would.
Ejections occur in plastic or carbon cages mostly because the cage and bottle do not interface correctly. If the lip on the cage correctly engages the groove in the bottle then ejection is a non issue.
See my post above.






