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Old 12-08-16 | 06:01 AM
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Mounting a new tire???

OK, maybe I am the only one who doesn't know how to do this. Is there a trick, tool or technique to setting the last few inches of the tire here? In my youth I was capable of doing this with a tire having a Kevlar bead. Something has changed. Have watched youtube videos from Michelin to no avail. Any help would be greatly appreciated.




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Old 12-08-16 | 06:16 AM
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Is one bead in already? Or neither bead?

The first thing I would do is double check you have a 700c rim.

The rim diameter will be about 10mm more than the BSD, so about 630mm outer diameter for 700c, and 640mm outside diameter for 27".
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Yep, there are some "tricks of the trade" that you can use. Here's the method I use:

Never use a tire iron to mount a tire....ever. You'll only pinch the tube and make a flat.

I do this sitting on a stool with the wheel in my lap.
Make sure the tube is deflated.
Make sure to push the valve stem up into the tire so that the tire bead seats deeply into the rim.
Yeah, I start at the valve stem. Other mechanics start opposite the stem. Either way works but the important thing is to make sure that the valve is not down so far that the tire bead isn't seated fully.
For that last few inches put a toe strap on one end of where the tire is off the rim and tighten it down so that the tire bead doesn't slip off the rim.
Now starting opposite where the tire is off the rim start pushing and pulling with both hands and push the tire bead into the rim and pull the tire bead on both sides around the rim to the open part.
Make sure you continue to push the tube into the tire as you go and make sure the tube doesn't twist as you push it into the tire. This is important.
Holding the bead at the toe strap, start rolling the bead over the rim with the opposite hand. Be sure to push the tube into the tire as you go here to.
Yeah, it's NOT easy sometimes but you should make some progress.
Go back down to opposite the open part and repeat. Each time roll the bead with your entire hand over the rim's edge.
Keep at it and it will go on that rim.
If you've rubber your fingers raw and the tire goes on the rim, you've figured it out. From now on it's just practice.

Somebody posted a good video on this technique a while back. Not sure which thread it's on though.


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Old 12-08-16 | 08:39 AM
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Try a few more videos (doesn't necessarily have to be Michelin), I'm sure you will find one that will walk you through it successfully.
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Old 12-08-16 | 08:39 AM
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Lubricate the tire beads with liquid soap.

Some tires are more difficult than others. Gatorskins are the devil!... Schwalbe Marathons and Marathon Plus are a piece of cake!
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Old 12-08-16 | 09:02 AM
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Also some wheels are worse than others.

+1 on the soap.
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Old 12-08-16 | 09:20 AM
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Blame the tire not the rim. I avoid tires that are too difficult to mount. Not worth the trouble so I never buy that tire again. I don't want a tire that is so hard to mount that if I have a flat I would have great difficulty on the road switching out tubes.

I can't see me being able to use my thumbs to mount the tire pictured by the OP. I use tire irons in this case and do it very carefully to avoid pinching the tube.
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Old 12-08-16 | 09:45 AM
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I put a new tire on an empty rim a couple of times before I involve the inner tube. This stretches the bead a bit. And, since there's no inner tube on the rim, you can use a tire iron to your heart's content while loosening up the bead.
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Old 12-08-16 | 09:50 AM
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Never use a tire iron to mount a tire....ever. You'll only pinch the tube and make a flat.
No you won't. All you have to do is be watchful when you hook the tip over the edge of the rim so it doesn't pinch the tube. Coating the tube with baby powder first and inflating it slightly makes it easier so shove it up into the tire so it's not exposed to pinching. Then before you air it up fully squeeze the tire all the way around the rim to make sure the tube is all the way inside.

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Old 12-08-16 | 09:56 AM
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Ok, "You should avoid using tire irons if possible".
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Old 12-08-16 | 09:56 AM
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The first thing I would do is double check you have a 700c rim.
Hmmmmm. That's an old-looking, 36 spoke rim. It very well could be 27".
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Old 12-08-16 | 09:56 AM
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Get the opposite side...

Many times, I have found the difficulty to be the bead I am working with "seems" to be too small in diameter because of friction with the rim is cumulative from the oppisite side of the rim. The solution is to start at the opposite side of where the difficulty is, pinch the tire and set the bead as near the center between the rim edges as possible. Work it around, never letting the tire relax, until complete. Usually that gives enough slack that the remainder can then be rolled over the edge.

The problem in my experience is the depth between the rim edges. Some wheels are deeper than others. The shallow ones seem more difficult because the tire can't move as far or as freely around the wheel.

Oddly enough, for me, kevlar/folding bead tires seem more difficult. Almost as if a certain amount of "initial stretch" is factored into the manufacture so it is proper size after it has been fully inflated.

+1 on Continentals being the most difficult. Hardshells being the worst!
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Old 12-08-16 | 11:19 AM
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Originally Posted by indyfabz
Hmmmmm. That's an old-looking, 36 spoke rim. It very well could be 27".
Says AS29X right on the rim, and Weinmann doesn't indicate that comes in a 27".

I use the base of my palm on the hard to install tires. I find I have more strength pushing with my whole forearm, rather than just my thumb. Also I second those that ask if the other side is in the rim or not, or if you are trying to do both sides at the same time.
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Old 12-08-16 | 12:04 PM
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like base said, get the tire on the opposite side into the center of the wheel groove cuz that's a smaller diameter, then you'll have more slack for the final push. it takes some massaging & squeezing. I admit I do use a plastic tire lever very carefully at the end but only if I can be certain I'm not catching the tube. when I was a kid I got used to using a metal screwdriver. only took ruining 1 tube to learn how to do it without grabbing the tube. folding tires are easier to mount (in general) suppose it couldn't hurt to warm the tire, meaning don't store them in your basement before mounting, or if you do, bring them to another floor & warm them up or use a space heater?
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Originally Posted by jefnvk
Says AS29X right on the rim, and Weinmann doesn't indicate that comes in a 27".

Heh. I tried to read the label but alas, my eyes are aging.
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Old 12-08-16 | 12:18 PM
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I find it's easiest for me to start opposite the valve stem. That way it's easier to push the tire bead all the way into the center of the rim where, as rumrunn6 says, the diameter is smaller. I just keep working the bead to the center as I keep the tension on the bead and eventually it gets worked to its point of least resistance. Once the tire is on, make sure to push the valve stem up into the tire because it's easy for the reinforcement to get pinched under the bead.
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Old 12-08-16 | 12:18 PM
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Originally Posted by drlogik
Never use a tire iron to mount a tire....ever. You'll only pinch the tube and make a flat.
While it's not a sure thing that you will puncture the tube if you use a tire lever to mount the tire, the risk is there and significant. Especially if you're on the road and only have one spare tube.

But you can use a "bead jack" to safely lift the bead over the sidewall without risking a puncture. VAR makes a combination bead jack/tire lever that is portable enough to carry with you on rides:



Kool Stop also makes a bead jack, but it's significantly larger than VAR's (and stiffer and better leverage as well), so it's better suited as a shop tool:

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Old 12-08-16 | 12:31 PM
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The key to mounting tires is to understand that since the tire's bead diameter is smaller than the rim's outside diameter, it's impossible.

Obviously it isn't, so there's a trick, which is to offset the tire to one side to get it over the rim. What makes that possible is the well at the center of the rim, which is deepest at it's center.

So, you want to move the tire do the center and push the slack to the opposite end. The first mistake you made was to pull the valve down blocking the center, which prevented the tire from moving to the deepest part of the well. The second mistake was in not ending at the valve, so the entire tire, except for the last section can move to the well, giving you the maximum slack to work with.
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This video - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-XUFV...ature=youtu.be from this thread - Trouble changing tire

Important to put one side of the bead on the rim entirely, and then begin with the other side.

This is one of the best videos I have seen for getting a tire back on the rim without having to use tire irons.

The part about partially inflating the tire before putting it on the rim is good advice, as is the part where he wiggles the valve a little just to make sure nothing is pinched.
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Old 12-08-16 | 12:43 PM
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The Kool Stop bead jack is distributed here in the USA by Kool Stop. But mine says its from the Netherlands. Wonderful tool. Even using a Continental Grand Prix 4000-S mounting on a carbon wheel, it works.

Some You tube demonstrations will avoid the "hard to fit" scenarios for this bead jack. If I had to make improvements on this, it would be on the "lever arm" part. The end what I call the "blade", is just a tad bit too thick and sometimes I get some slippage when applying force. To avoid this, I have to systematically inch my way to fully mount those last few inches. In other words, its not in one fell swoop.
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don't know if its been mentioned but what I do is put them out in the sun for a little while and that makes them easlier to work with. if its night time, and u cant wait till morning, try putting them in the drier for a few minutes, just don't let the wifey see u doing it
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Old 12-08-16 | 04:41 PM
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You can spread a little bit of dish soap to use as lube on the last few inches to help the bead slip over the rim.
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Old 12-08-16 | 08:41 PM
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Originally Posted by PhillyO
try putting them in the drier for a few minutes
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a little bit of air in the tube.

start right beside the valve stem.

work your way around all the way in one direction to finish back at the valve stem.

when you get close to the stem, let some air out of the tube, push the stem inward as far as you can to keep the tube from pinching and finish the bead at the stem.

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a little bit of air in the tube.

Start right beside the valve stem.

Work your way around all the way in one direction to finish back at the valve stem.

When you get close to the stem, let some air out of the tube, push the stem inward as far as you can to keep the tube from pinching and finish the bead at the stem.
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