Calling the Specialized Experts, Please
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I just purchased this bike from a local LBS. He sold it as an Allez, and my initial research shows it to be a 2006. Here are my questions:
It doesn't have a model name on it, only "Specialized" twice, once on the down tube and once on the top tube. Also, it has black, unpainted carbon seat stays with Zertz inserts. The Frame is Columbus E5 Aerotec. The back chain stays say "Columbus Squadra Corse". I can't find much if any info on this particular frame. Secondly, does anyone know where I can get a geometry chart? I suspect this is a 58, but it was sold to me as a 56. I can't find anything to confirm my suspicions except photos of other Allez of the same vintage that are touted to be 58. I am basing my suspicions on the head tube length and the space between the downtube and top tube. Thanks! http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l2...psgtgczivn.jpg |
I'm no expert but if you google 2006 Specialized Allez images, one of the top results is a 2006 Specialized Allez Comp triple that pretty much looks like yours.
I'd say you did buy an Allez. |
How do you like the bike? If you're happy with it, then isn't that the best thing?
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What are the measurements on the bike?
Middle bottom bracket to top of top tube along the seat tube Middle bottom bracket to top fo seat tube mast Length of top tube, from middle seat tube to middle head tube. |
Originally Posted by NILS14
(Post 19497189)
I'm no expert but if you google 2006 Specialized Allez images, one of the top results is a 2006 Specialized Allez Comp triple that pretty much looks like yours.
I'd say you did buy an Allez. I can't say why the decals look like they do. Perhaps it was repainted. The fork is probably not original. |
Originally Posted by CliffordK
(Post 19497236)
It appears as if the Specialized Allez Expert had the carbon B-Stays, and rear stay and seatpost zerts. As well as aero tubing.
I can't say why the decals look like they do. Perhaps it was repainted. The fork is probably not original. |
Originally Posted by NILS14
(Post 19497189)
I'm no expert but if you google 2006 Specialized Allez images, one of the top results is a 2006 Specialized Allez Comp triple that pretty much looks like yours.
I'd say you did buy an Allez. |
Originally Posted by CliffordK
(Post 19497222)
What are the measurements on the bike?
Middle bottom bracket to top of top tube along the seat tube 51.0 cm Middle bottom bracket to top fo seat tube mast 54.5 cm or so Length of top tube, from middle seat tube to middle head tube. 57.0 or close |
Originally Posted by practical
(Post 19497219)
How do you like the bike? If you're happy with it, then isn't that the best thing?
I haven't done much riding on it yet but "around the block", so I am real concerned as I am about 5'9 with a 31 inseam. The wrong fit can feel fine for 10 miles or so, but then the wrong geometry starts taking it's toll after that. |
Originally Posted by UKFan4Sure
(Post 19497265)
I have done much but "around the block" riding on it yet, but am real concerned as I am about 5'9 with a 31 inseam.
How much bar drop do you like? Sloping TTs are difficult to measure sizes, but the length of the TT is often close to the size, and you're close. |
Originally Posted by CliffordK
(Post 19497284)
I wouldn't worry about the numbers as long as it feels right. Are the photos of the seat as it is currently adjusted? A little low, but apparently still below the zert.
How much bar drop do you like? Sloping TTs are difficult to measure sizes, but the length of the TT is often close to the size, and you're close. I have adjusted the seat post up since the photo from the LBS. It does appear to be in a relatively good position now and the seat tube seems well within it's intended range. I will take your suggestion as I believe you are correct about not getting too hung up on sizing. If it feels good, that is. I might have to get a slightly shorter stem by 10mm or so. I just don't want to be sorry later, and would like to confirm the size against some sort of chart. I really feel most comfortable with my bars level, or slightly below the seat. I'm a little older and my back ain't what it used to be. I have ridden some pretty aggressive geometries for 20-25 miles with no problems though. |
Originally Posted by UKFan4Sure
(Post 19497294)
I will take your suggestion as I believe you are correct about not getting too hung up on sizing. If it feels good, that is.
I will tell you from personal experience as a video and sound producer for over thirty years, I appreciate flat, accurate sound and video reproduction for reference. But it tends to be lifeless and sterile. I came to realize that so many pre-computer designed speakers, amplifiers, microphones, lenses and films were loved, not for their accuracy, but for their feel. Because before precise measurements were easily attained the design and engineering process contained a lot more eyeballing and ear-balling. That is, does it look good, sound good and feel good. This is the human element which has been squeezed so far out of modern design by computer modeling and specing. This would also apply to bicycles. To be sure, if one was designing a performance bicycle for competition, then how it felt would be less important than how it performs. But for riding other than competition, how a bike feels to a rider should be more important than how correct it is. Jay Leno has stated many times that a fifty or sixty year old sports car with a weak engine, and modest handling can be more fun to drive at its stunted limits, than a super car with advanced handling and power. Similarly, older bicycles and custom built bikes have small quirks and vices that endear them to us and suggest a personality. Your physical being is unique, your cyling sensibilities are also singular, the culmination of a combination of experiences only you have accumulated. You are the judge, the arbiter, the final say-so. If it feels right, it is right. If it feels "off", it's not right. The answer lies within. |
Originally Posted by BobbyG
(Post 19497325)
Back in the late 1980s or early 1990s, Stereo Review columnist Julian Hirsh, who had written about consumer sound equipment since the 1940s came to the conclusion that specifications are just a guide; that after a certain precision is reached, unless technical purity is the goal, personal taste holds sway. He wrote if it sounds good to you, it's good.
I will tell you from personal experience as a video and sound producer for over thirty years, I appreciate flat, accurate sound and video reproduction for reference. But it tends to be lifeless and sterile. I came to realize that so many pre-computer designed speakers, amplifiers, microphones, lenses and films were loved, not for their accuracy, but for their feel. Because before precise measurements were easily attained the design and engineering process contained a lot more eyeballing and ear-balling. That is, does it look good, sound good and feel good. This is the human element which has been squeezed so far out of modern design by computer modeling and specing. This would also apply to bicycles. To be sure, if one was designing a performance bicycle for competition, then how it felt would be less important than how it feels. But for riding other than competition, how a bike feels to a rider should be more important than how correct it is. Jay Leno has stated many times that a fifty or sixty year old sports car with a weak engine, and modest handling can be more fun to drive at its stunted limits, than a super car with advanced handling and power. Similarly, older bicycles and custom built bikes have small quirks and vices that endear them to us and suggest a personality. Your physical being is unique, your cyling sensibilities are also singular, the culmination of a combination of experiences only you have accumulated. You are the judge, the arbiter, the final say-so. If it feels right, it is right. If it feels "off", it's not right. The answer lies within. |
I would absolutely be concerned about the advertised frame size. Since when is it OK to misrepresent items for sale?
If a shop sold a 58 frame as a 56 then they either lied and therefor committed fraud or they made an honest mistake. Either way, if it is not a 56 then they need to make it right, return the money or get a 56 frame. Specifications are "only a guide" but it doesn't mean that manufacturers and retailers can make false claims. If it is a 56 frame and it doesn't fit or it is a 58 frame and it does fit then the OP has a problem with what he thinks his size is. -Tim- |
Originally Posted by BobbyG
(Post 19497325)
... how a bike feels to a rider should be more important than how correct it is...
Nice analogy and interesting post. Thx! |
Near the end of product run, companies sometimes build from stock on hand. It also may have been built from a replacement frame. Sometimes they don’t apply all decals to replacements so they can fill multiple needs. All that matters is how it feels underneath you.
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Originally Posted by TimothyH
(Post 19497545)
I would absolutely be concerned about the advertised frame size. Since when is it OK to misrepresent items for sale?
If a shop sold a 58 frame as a 56 then they either lied and therefor committed fraud or they made an honest mistake. Either way, if it is not a 56 then they need to make it right, return the money or get a 56 frame. Specifications are "only a guide" but it doesn't mean that manufacturers and retailers can make false claims. If it is a 56 frame and it doesn't fit or it is a 58 frame and it does fit then the OP has a problem with what he thinks his size is. -Tim- I see it like this, if it's indeed a 58 and it functions like I need it to, then fine. If not, I'll go over and see Mike and he'll make good on another bike, even if he doesn't have anything to suit me at the moment. I have two other bikes to ride, a Bianchi and a De Rosa. No biggie. |
Originally Posted by TimothyH
(Post 19497545)
I would absolutely be concerned about the advertised frame size. Since when is it OK to misrepresent items for sale?
If a shop sold a 58 frame as a 56 then they either lied and therefor committed fraud or they made an honest mistake. Either way, if it is not a 56 then they need to make it right, return the money or get a 56 frame. Specifications are "only a guide" but it doesn't mean that manufacturers and retailers can make false claims. If it is a 56 frame and it doesn't fit or it is a 58 frame and it does fit then the OP has a problem with what he thinks his size is. -Tim- Sticker with size is long gone. Old bikes just measure seat tube. Sloping top tube makes measuring more ambiguous unless 10 yr spec sheets can be found. No fraud. |
Twenty five mile ride today and I like the bike. It actually feels good being a little bigger, especially when out of the saddle. I'm sold and it's a keeper.
Thanks for everyone's input. I learned a lot from your comments and relaying your experiences. :thumb: |
Originally Posted by BobbyG
(Post 19497325)
Back in the late 1980s or early 1990s, Stereo Review columnist Julian Hirsh, who had written about consumer sound equipment since the 1940s came to the conclusion that specifications are just a guide; that after a certain precision is reached, unless technical purity is the goal, personal taste holds sway. He wrote if it sounds good to you, it's good.
I will tell you from personal experience as a video and sound producer for over thirty years, I appreciate flat, accurate sound and video reproduction for reference. But it tends to be lifeless and sterile. I came to realize that so many pre-computer designed speakers, amplifiers, microphones, lenses and films were loved, not for their accuracy, but for their feel. Because before precise measurements were easily attained the design and engineering process contained a lot more eyeballing and ear-balling. That is, does it look good, sound good and feel good. This is the human element which has been squeezed so far out of modern design by computer modeling and specing. This would also apply to bicycles. To be sure, if one was designing a performance bicycle for competition, then how it felt would be less important than how it performs. But for riding other than competition, how a bike feels to a rider should be more important than how correct it is. Jay Leno has stated many times that a fifty or sixty year old sports car with a weak engine, and modest handling can be more fun to drive at its stunted limits, than a super car with advanced handling and power. Similarly, older bicycles and custom built bikes have small quirks and vices that endear them to us and suggest a personality. Your physical being is unique, your cyling sensibilities are also singular, the culmination of a combination of experiences only you have accumulated. You are the judge, the arbiter, the final say-so. If it feels right, it is right. If it feels "off", it's not right. The answer lies within. |
Originally Posted by UKFan4Sure
(Post 19497705)
Tim, I don't think the LBS would have done it on purpose. He's a stand-up guy running a really good business. I do believe he will make it right if things don't work out. I mean seriously, he would have too much to lose in this day of social media to not do the right thing by me. And I don't believe he would ONLY do the right thing because of possible social media backlash. There is strong competition in town, and it isn't in any LBS's interest to get on customer's bad side.
I see it like this, if it's indeed a 58 and it functions like I need it to, then fine. If not, I'll go over and see Mike and he'll make good on another bike, even if he doesn't have anything to suit me at the moment. I have two other bikes to ride, a Bianchi and a De Rosa. No biggie. This is good to hear and I appreciate your saying this. Personally, I don't stand for dishonesty in business, both as a customer and as a professional services provider. If I felt that the shop was dishonest then I'd call them to the carpet on it. Maybe I'm an idealist but I think we have a moral obligation to the rest of society and saying, "oh well, it worked out OK for me" is a cop out. I'm glad you are satisfied and happy to hear that the shop is honest. Glad you are enjoying the bike too. -Tim- |
Per my original post, I found a sale ad for a frame like the one I have. The seller had no idea what he had either.
Anyone have any idea what this frame is, or the history, or the reason for making a frame with no model designation? https://www.pinkbike.com/buysell/128...cttofirstphoto |
One last time, I wanted to post a bit of info I found:
2005 Specialized Allez E5 Aerotec Team Build Frame & Fork E5 Alloy & Carbon 52cm |
Originally Posted by practical
(Post 19497219)
How do you like the bike? If you're happy with it, then isn't that the best thing?
Take the size issue for example. There are a variety of ways to measure frame size on diamond frame bikes especially now that most have sloping top tubes. One manufacturer's 56 may turn out to be quite similar to another's 58. |
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