Stop Lights or Roundabouts ?
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Grew up in the south, lived in Europe, now a yankee part of the year. I still ask people if they'd like a 'coke' (vs pop or soda), I frequently put things in the boot of my car, and more than a few times I've used football incorrectly—on both sides of the Atlantic. I've also been surprised when I've ordered a 'coffee' in the US and been served American coffee rather than the espresso I'd get everywhere else in the world. I'm generally pretty messed up. And couldn't be happier. :-)
Grew up in the south, lived in Europe, now a yankee part of the year. I still ask people if they'd like a 'coke' (vs pop or soda), I frequently put things in the boot of my car, and more than a few times I've used football incorrectly—on both sides of the Atlantic. I've also been surprised when I've ordered a 'coffee' in the US and been served American coffee rather than the espresso I'd get everywhere else in the world. I'm generally pretty messed up. And couldn't be happier. :-)
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Being from Europe and now living in Texas I vote for roundabouts. Why?
- Here in Plano the city moved from induction sensors to camera sensors on the traffic. If you don't have a strong light you can shine at that camera it will NOT detect a cyclist. And not all lights have cross walks with push buttons. Or the buttons are very inconveniently located for cyclists.
- Roundabouts slow down the traffic and there is less chance a driver coming the other way will cut you off.
- Here in Plano the city moved from induction sensors to camera sensors on the traffic. If you don't have a strong light you can shine at that camera it will NOT detect a cyclist. And not all lights have cross walks with push buttons. Or the buttons are very inconveniently located for cyclists.
- Roundabouts slow down the traffic and there is less chance a driver coming the other way will cut you off.
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Being from Europe and now living in Texas I vote for roundabouts. Why?
- Here in Plano the city moved from induction sensors to camera sensors on the traffic. If you don't have a strong light you can shine at that camera it will NOT detect a cyclist. And not all lights have cross walks with push buttons. Or the buttons are very inconveniently located for cyclists.
- Roundabouts slow down the traffic and there is less chance a driver coming the other way will cut you off.
- Here in Plano the city moved from induction sensors to camera sensors on the traffic. If you don't have a strong light you can shine at that camera it will NOT detect a cyclist. And not all lights have cross walks with push buttons. Or the buttons are very inconveniently located for cyclists.
- Roundabouts slow down the traffic and there is less chance a driver coming the other way will cut you off.
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I believe one of the big benefits of a roundabout is that they are more effective in handling the intersection of more than 4 (2x2) streets entering/exiting. So, create an intersection for 5 or 6, or more, and the roundabout does well. It also shines if there are a lot of vehicles that are turning vs mostly going straight through. Or a mix of straight and turning.
I'm a little skeptical about those chains of roundabouts, but I'm not sure roundabouts and lights mix well. Looking at the proposed triple roundabout, perhaps one could think of it as a really huge roundabout that is just made to be skinny in the middle, although I suppose you still have the extra cross traffic.
We have a two lane roundabout that I encounter periodically. It has two choices for bicycles. Either riding on the street, or riding on the sidewalks, and activating blinking lights for crossing. I feel better riding on the street.
I have never had issues on the roundabout with straight-through riding, or right turns. A left turn takes a little more attention.
Our roundabout also has a median strip bike lane which is poorly designed for getting into and out of the roundabout.
I'm a little skeptical about those chains of roundabouts, but I'm not sure roundabouts and lights mix well. Looking at the proposed triple roundabout, perhaps one could think of it as a really huge roundabout that is just made to be skinny in the middle, although I suppose you still have the extra cross traffic.
We have a two lane roundabout that I encounter periodically. It has two choices for bicycles. Either riding on the street, or riding on the sidewalks, and activating blinking lights for crossing. I feel better riding on the street.
I have never had issues on the roundabout with straight-through riding, or right turns. A left turn takes a little more attention.
Our roundabout also has a median strip bike lane which is poorly designed for getting into and out of the roundabout.
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I think we are a point where traffic engineers need to put more emphasis in designing for multi-use, which means considering bicycles as part of the road design.
The safest way for a bicycle to go through a roundabout is to add tunnels and bridges for the bikes.
Ok, that first one may have lights for the cars
For a cloverleaf freeway interchange with flyovers as posted by the OP, there may be some natural elevation changes that could be easily utilized.
The OP's map also shows a bunch of large lakes which for many reasons is a natural place to connect off-road bicycle trails
The safest way for a bicycle to go through a roundabout is to add tunnels and bridges for the bikes.
Ok, that first one may have lights for the cars
For a cloverleaf freeway interchange with flyovers as posted by the OP, there may be some natural elevation changes that could be easily utilized.
The OP's map also shows a bunch of large lakes which for many reasons is a natural place to connect off-road bicycle trails
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They are still working on the two in the video, and there are two more that popped up on my regular loop. The last I heard they have more planned for next year.
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