How to know what is better hub ?
 

What hub will be better ? 60 sounds and 120 sounds,what is difference for them ?

Thanks!:love:

120 sounds is better. The difference is "60".

question doesn't make sense, try again.

Umm, photo, text, name brand, width and use? Maybe?

The good stuff is Sturmey Archer.

Huh?

The 60 weighs half as much as the 120, so thats good.
But the 120 is twice as well made as the 60.

A conundrum for sure.

the truly good hubs are supposedly:
chris king
dt
white industries
phil wood
hadley
true precision
onyx

best bang for your buck will be dt350.

then there is also the cup and cone shimanos that i personally feel is very good. ymmv

I've never felt like my Shimano Ultegra (cup and cone) hubs gave up anything on the much more expensive hubs, other than a little trivial (to me) weight. I also really like the silence. When I freewheel the Shimano hubs are nearly silent, while everyone around me with their expensive hubs sounds like they're being chased by a swarm of angry bees. Just picked up a Stan's Grail wheelset with my new bike and now I sound like I'm being chased by angry bees too.

As far as points of engagement, the MTBers claim it makes a difference to them, so I'll take their word for it. On a road bike I don't think it makes enough of a difference to be in the top 4 or 5 reasons to buy one hub over another. That being said, if I buy a given hub that has multiple options for POE that don't cost any more, I'd choose the higher POE count, because why not?

Points Of Engagement.

I don't disagree with your picks, but Industry Nine (I9) is said to be top quality, also.

yeah and maybe also kappius?

But for ratchet ring/pawls hubs the truly good durability ones seems to be white industries followed by hadley,
and then there is no real reason to even consider the rest that use the pawl system. 99% of all hubs use the pawls/ratcher ring system.

none

I'm basing on 10 years and several hundred hours of reading about these specific hubs on the internet.

Well.......

60 sound + 120 sound = 180 sound

and

60 sound *120 sound = 7,200 sound (squared)

However....

√(60 sound + 120 sound) = 13.4 sound

Does that answer your question?

60 Sounds.....120 sounds... lets not make up new terms.

I had a set of Chris King hubs that I rebuilt and used on several bikes.

Other than being lightweight the best thing about them is how well they aggravated the people riding with me who weren't fast enough to drop me. :)

All your soundz are belong to us.

One of the advantages with a high POE is ratcheting through rock gardens. Tiny, partial pedal strokes when you can't make a full revolution due to rocks/logs and such. Not such an issues for pave.

Yeah, I totally believe that. I'm not good enough on a MTB to spend much time in rock gardens, and when I get to a log that I can't go around I've as often as not just got off my bike and hoisted it over the log. I'm at the level of MTB prowess where I'm on singletrack 95% of the time, and for that I don't think PoE makes much of a difference. Maybe I just don't know what I'm missing.

I've had instant POE, 18 poe, 36poe, and 30 whatever shimano now runs. and above 36 there is not much meaningful difference to be honest. Sure its cool with the instant grab no matter what but 30-36 is good enough. I'm not crying myself to sleep over only running 36 now at least.

I BMX race with an infinate/instant POE hub. It matters there, where getting an exact crank position at the gate is important, as is being able to engage as fast as possible when you only have room to get a few cranks in between the jumps and turns.

Outside of BMX racing and very technical trials mountain bike situations it doesn't seem make any difference. I have a 120 POE freewheel on a single speed road bike and other than the excessive noise, I can't tell the difference between that and a standard Shimano hub.