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Originally Posted by livedarklions
(Post 20538122)
There's absolutely no scientific reason to believe a person can't get great benefits from exercise that doesn't reach the level of exhaustion. You can't defend your assertion, so instead you resort to insult and belittling. I'm only disappointed that someone who gets paid to insult and belittle isn't better at it than you are. I really don't care that you insulted me. I do care that you basically just told someone who's just started biking that they shouldn't bother with rides unless they are going to exhaust a nd overwork themselves. That's worse than bad advice, it's discouraging someone from making an effort based on an utterly fabricated premise. I realize this kind of snake oil is part and parcel of the charlatans in your line, but it's completely destructive.
The OP said he's riding 20 miles without getting exhausted. He can ride 30 miles without going to the hospital. We're talking about riding a bicycle, not a 12 mile rucksack run with 50 pounds on his back. I assume he's not riding a fixed gear, he can coast and take a break for a minute if he gets too tired. It's not a superhuman goal. Feeling pain doesn't mean you're injured. What would be amusing would be to see you enter a Cat 5 mountain bike race. You would be walking your bike back to your car after mentally breaking down in the first 5 minutes. Because, I mean, we can't get exhausted or feel pain. That's for the sadists :lol: |
Pushing yourself do do more each time is a great idea. Pushing yourself to exhaustion probably isnt that great of an idea except you are absolutely sure there are no medical ramifications in doing so. Most importantly just enjoy the ride. |
Originally Posted by Lazyass
(Post 20538771)
You gonna cry?
The OP said he's riding 20 miles without getting exhausted. He can ride 30 miles without going to the hospital. We're talking about riding a bicycle, not a 12 mile rucksack run with 50 pounds on his back. I assume he's not riding a fixed gear, he can coast and take a break for a minute if he gets too tired. It's not a superhuman goal. Feeling pain doesn't mean you're injured. What would be amusing would be to see you enter a Cat 5 mountain bike race. You would be walking your bike back to your car after mentally breaking down in the first 5 minutes. Because, I mean, we can't get exhausted or feel pain. That's for the sadists :lol: Here's what you actually said: "If you aren't feeling exhausted or overworked then you're not riding hard enough to get stronger." Now you're backtracking and saying he'll be fine if he rides 30 miles. I agree. I suggested he go 25 next ride and then 30 the next. I don't think he'll feel exhausted and certainly not "overworked", and he will also be getting stronger as he goes. I did it that way and rapidly increased to doing centuries and beyond without ever experiencing a feeling of overworking. I got plenty tired afterwards, and I had some very minor aches and pains, but I never once had to put myself in some sort of agony to achieve great strength and endurance gains. I don't mountain bike at all, so I agree my racing on my road bikes in a Cat anything mountain bike race would be pretty pitiful. I'd probably drop you on any road hill, however. Not sure what you think you're proving by maligning my skills in an activity I don't do. My conditioning is good enough that I can sustain 20+ mph for multiple hours and I don't get muscle pain, and I've never bonked. Should I poke myself with needles to show I'm as big a man as you? |
Originally Posted by livedarklions
(Post 20538887)
Why would I cry? Your insults are Cat 7 at best.
Here's what you actually said: "If you aren't feeling exhausted or overworked then you're not riding hard enough to get stronger." Now you're backtracking and saying he'll be fine if he rides 30 miles.
Originally Posted by livedarklions
(Post 20538887)
I don't mountain bike at all, so I agree my racing on my road bikes in a Cat anything mountain bike race would be pretty pitiful. I'd probably drop you on any road hill, however. Not sure what you think you're proving by maligning my skills in an activity I don't do.
Originally Posted by livedarklions
(Post 20538887)
My conditioning is good enough that I can sustain 20+ mph for multiple hours and I don't get muscle pain, and I've never bonked. Should I poke myself with needles to show I'm as big a man as you?
You try to say exercising until you get exhausted which you said was "miserable" does not make you stronger, and then you say there's no scientific proof. That makes it clear you have no clue what you're talking about. You have no education in the subject. To get stronger doing anything physical you have to push your body to exhaustion and/or muscle failure. That sends a signal to your brain which causes your body to adjust to the conditions you're putting it through. When you lift weights or do body resistant exercises you go to muscle failure on the last set or two. You don't stop when you start feeling a little pain. Cyclists who race, even amateur, even club cyclists do sprints, hill repeats, overall intervals into their training. If you don't ride to exhaustion then you've never even done a sprint lol. Hell, on my club rides we have guys older than you and we do sprints until everyone can hardly breathe. We get very exhausted but we like it because we aren't soft. |
Originally Posted by Lazyass
(Post 20539041)
Backtrack? My first reply in this thread I said he should ride 30 miles :lol:
You ain't dropping anyone. You probably started cycling when you joined the forum. Your BS false internet claims of personal achievement hold less worth than a grain of sand in the desert. By the way, bonking is caused by glycogen depletion just so you know lol. You try to say exercising until you get exhausted which you said was "miserable" does not make you stronger, and then you say there's no scientific proof. That makes it clear you have no clue what you're talking about. You have no education in the subject. To get stronger doing anything physical you have to push your body to exhaustion and/or muscle failure. That sends a signal to your brain which causes your body to adjust to the conditions you're putting it through. When you lift weights or do body resistant exercises you go to muscle failure on the last set or two. You don't stop when you start feeling a little pain. Cyclists who race, even amateur, even club cyclists do sprints, hill repeats, overall intervals into their training. If you don't ride to exhaustion then you've never even done a sprint lol. Hell, on my club rides we have guys older than you and we do sprints until everyone can hardly breathe. We get very exhausted but we like it because we aren't soft. Oh, my hero! I'm going to buy your action figure. /ignore |
I like it when someone starts an argument with you, then after you win the argument they started they want to ignore you :lol:
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Why that's easy.
Avoid riding the same out-and back or the same hamster track circle time after time. That forces you to keep having to decide whether or not to start another lap. Try to find a different route to ride every time you go out. Putz around either exploring new places or linking together previous rides into longer rides. Bike computers are bad too because they can make you turn every ride into a competition. Do that and far and fast will come naturally AND you'll have more fun doing it. |
Lol, some of the more opinionated posters either need to go for a long tiring bike ride or switch to de-caf whatever works.Everyone I hope you enjoy the last weekend of the summer and try to get to the one ride you been wanting to this summer |
:popcorn
Is the show over? Did I miss it? |
The show never really started ... and no one missed anything except the actual point of anything that mattered.
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the real question here is how many miles can your backside take? How's the bike fit?
I don't think I've ever stopped because of fatigue, but sore backside, hands, or feet yeah |
Originally Posted by Retro Grouch
(Post 20539221)
Why that's easy.
Avoid riding the same out-and back or the same hamster track circle time after time. That forces you to keep having to decide whether or not to start another lap. Try to find a different route to ride every time you go out. Putz around either exploring new places or linking together previous rides into longer rides. Bike computers are bad too because they can make you turn every ride into a competition. Do that and far and fast will come naturally AND you'll have more fun doing it. Yeah, I just figure about how far I want to go today, google map a destination half of that distance and do the round trip. It's a lot more fun actually going somewhere interesting than riding a loop, and the destination actually becomes an incentive, |
Originally Posted by rgconner
(Post 20539367)
:popcorn
Is the show over? Did I miss it? You just missed some guy doing a bad GI Joe impression. |
Originally Posted by livedarklions
(Post 20539589)
You just missed some guy doing a bad GI Joe impression.
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Remember ... when you are training ... No Pain ....
No damage. |
Originally Posted by Flip Flop Rider
(Post 20539452)
the real question here is how many miles can your backside take? How's the bike fit?
I don't think I've ever stopped because of fatigue, but sore backside, hands, or feet yeah |
Originally Posted by Maelochs
(Post 20539783)
Remember ... when you are training ... No Pain ....
No damage. |
Thank a Vet!
Originally Posted by Lazyass
(Post 20537757)
As a former drill sergeant...
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Originally Posted by Flip Flop Rider
(Post 20539452)
the real question here is how many miles can your backside take? How's the bike fit?
I don't think I've ever stopped because of fatigue, but sore backside, hands, or feet yeah |
If you want to build up to 30+ and you're not sure if you can make it, then map out a 15-20 mile loop and do that twice. That gives you an out if you're not feeling comfortable halfway through. It also gives you a chance to grab a snack before going back out. If you don't want to do the same loop twice, then do the second loop in reverse direction.
As an aside, 30-40 miles, even for a beginner, is not that tough if you keep to a comfortable pace. A few years ago, my son (who was 10 at the time), decided he wanted to ride a century (100 miles in a day). He had done a few 50+ mile rides the year before, but he hadn't been building up to it before the attempt. I went with him and brought lots of snacks. We stopped every hour or so for about 10 minutes for a small snack and had a couple of longer stops for first and second lunch. He did the whole 100 miles on his own. It took us 11 hours total (8.5 hours riding + 2.5 hours resting), but he did it and even felt fine the next day. |
Originally Posted by Lazyass
(Post 20537565)
If you aren't feeling exhausted or overworked then you're not riding hard enough to get stronger. Go for the 30+ mile range your next ride, it's not that big a deal.
^^^^ This. If you want to get stronger, you have to stress the body. You get stronger when you're recovering from being sore/tired. You need hard days, active recovery days, and rest days. Otherwise, you're doing nothing except acclimating to the saddle |
Ahhhh ... so many people out riding ... and then coming here spouting so much BS about working out.
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Originally Posted by BlazingPedals
(Post 20544598)
^^^^ This. If you want to get stronger, you have to stress the body. You get stronger when you're recovering from being sore/tired. You need hard days, active recovery days, and rest days. Otherwise, you're doing nothing except acclimating to the saddle
As I said above, I don't think there's going to be any problem with the OP increasing to 30 mile rides (and beyond) in the near future, but the idea that no significant development is going to happen until the OP makes himself miserable and sore is nonsense. |
Originally Posted by Chef Joe
(Post 20544232)
That's definitely something im getting used to right now. Legs and body feel great but my ass hurts.
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When it descends to the point where posters are posting naked bike-computer-screen selfies, the thread has jumped the shark, bitten it, and drowned.
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