I never claimed that the harsher conditions encountered while riding off-road vs. riding on the road were a recent novelty.

You continue to be confused and make no sense but please, don't let that stop you from posting more funny stuff.

I don’t think it makes sense to drive this way, it’s unsafe

Though you keep saying you've addressed this issue, I can't find anywhere where you above mention how this strap thing prevents grit (road or mtn varieties) from getting on the tubes and tools? Judging from how much grit and road spray can be sent against my under-saddle bag, it's quite easy to draw the conclusion that the same would be caked on the exposed items using this strap. Can't say I'd be a fan of having to find source of water to rinse (or use my drinking bottle) a gritty tube before putting in my tire. Also I tend to mouth inflate a tube for shape when installing a new tube (ick to lipping a valve stem with gunk on it).

Other typical small bag items need to stash elsewhere also - eg. tire lever(s), quicklink, tube patches? If you want something small, doesn't rattle around and pretty much the same form factor, try an Arundel uno or somesuch.

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...871b0dc417.jpg

I'm looking forward to picking up the free tools left behind by users of this product!:thumb:

In the two years that I have used their MTB version dirt/mud/grit hasn't affected how my tools work nor the efficacy of the tube (donated to a buddy who sliced his sidewall, I've been flat free for years now -although I probably just jinxed myself). I never claimed that "this strap thing" prevents dirt/mud/grit from getting on the tubes and tools. I don't know where you got that from.

You're going to be disappointed then. As noted above, everything is very secure. I've never lost anything. Without unstrapping it, it's a real struggle to even slide out the C02.

While "this strap thing" seems to be some new thing to many folks, they've been in use in the MTB world since 2009 with homebrew versions before that.

https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...e07dac85d5.jpg

Ok, so we've established you've never actually had to use a grime-caked tube carried in this strap.
As to your second question, here you quite clearly maintain that concerns that the strap offers no protection from road crap are "unfounded"

https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...5243c32b44.jpg

You have pivoted your argument.

before, you argued that its worthless to ha e a product which carried a tube since tubes are old tech and will soon be phased out due to tubeless tech.

its pointed out to you that tubes are still needed as a backup, and you don't even acknowledge your argument was flawed, you instead just work to dismiss the product due to it perhaps not holding a traditional flat kit as well as a wedge bag.


while your point about it not handling a flat kit as well as a wedge bag may be correct, the fact that you didn't even know a tube is a good idea to carry as a spare when riding tubeless kinda takes away from your opinion having much validity here.
but cool- you rode CX 40 years ago and the conditions were rough.


on the side topic of tubeless road being inevitable, I commented that it doesn't seen so in its current form.
meaning changes will need to be made before it takes over road cycling entirely.
road width tires, even 28mm wide, struggle with needing to be at a high enough psi to ride well for the many cyclists that arent featherweights. When this is solved and performance as well as reliability are both better than clincher setups, then sure I can see the tech taking over road cycling.
...with a tube brought along as backup.

Nope. wrong again. When I loaned out my tube it was covered in dirt. It wasn't big deal, just like the many times over the decades that I've had to change tubes in muddy conditions. It's beginning to feel like I stepped into a local rupophobia gathering.

Context is key here. banderra was concerned about "protection from UV or road grit." I replied that his concerns were unfounded because my strap experience in much harsher conditions (MTB with more dirt/mud/grime) has proven that dirt/mud/grime isn't an issue.

HTH

If you're happy with the strap, that's fine. IMO it just solves a problem that doesn't really exist per your OP about saddle bags rattling around. There are bags that won't do this. It also introduces other issues that are not issues using a bag. Perhaps the strap might make more sense to me in combo with using something like this to hold the stuff together and introduce a barrier to the elements?

https://www.greengurugear.com/collec...l-zipper-pouch

What percentage of bicycles sold in the U.S. or the world by "the industry" at the present time include any of those features?

I'd be surprised if it is over 1%. What makes you think it will increase significantly, popular demand or decreased costs or what?

The problem isn't just a saddle bag that rattles around.

"get in the way on some drops"

"I'm looking forward to opening up a cage and still being able to get back behind the saddle."

I never claimed that.

you claimed that dirt, mud, and grime arent an issue.

please forgive others if they interpret that to mean you say your stuff doesn't get covered in water and mud since you know, it's a pretty reasonable interpretation.

No, I claimed that banderra's worry about road grime was unfounded "based on my experience in much harsher conditions (more dirt, more vibrations) than road riding."

Dirt/mud/grime not being an issue doesn't mean that it won't get dirty when things are sloppy.

Only if folks aren't paying attention to what I've actually written and substituting what they imagine.

" In the two years that I have used their MTB version dirt/mud/grit hasn't affected how my tools work nor the efficacy of the tube (donated to a buddy who sliced his sidewall, I've been flat free for years now -although I probably just jinxed myself). I never claimed that "this strap thing" prevents dirt/mud/grit from getting on the tubes and tools."

I don't think that majority of cyclists are going to adopt this new found way of carrying a spare tube and tools...Personally I carry everything in my small backpack.

They are getting pretty clever with the advertisements now

Great, so now when I have to use the tube, I now have to also figure out how to repack the remaining items so they don't flop out or refold the dead tube (which is stretched from use) to function as a place holder. Pass. Tube changes are a big enough PITA already.

Chalk flopping saddle bags as a phony problem anyway.

Wait, are you another one of those conspiracy theorist types that thinks I'm somehow advertising here?

If not, what are you referring to?

You're making this much more complicated than it is. The strap can hold just the tools if it's way too difficult to roll a bad tube up(I wouldn't have to roll up a dead tube though). If you're the type to struggle like that, you can always stuff things into a jersey pocket. Not a big challenge at all.

Nah, saddle bags can flop around. Especially when it gets chunky. As has been mentioned a few times (go back and read the thread), a floppy seat bag isn't the sole reason for the change that I made.

What's the main reason for the change then ??