What's your favorite Olympic event, long jump, high jump, or jumping to a conclusion?

(This one was medal-worthy.)

i might steal this line.

Sarcasm requires no proof.

The last time I rode an unpaved rail-trail I noticed two people riding eBikes. One of the riders looked perfectly fit. In fact, he looked like he lifted weights regularly. This was in PA. The agency which manages state parks allows eBikes (up to 250W, IIRC) on all state park trails that are open to "unassisted" bikes.

The motorbikes aren't allowed on trails that ban "motorized conveyances"

Our group rides with a 75? year old e-bike user. He's first up our 3 mile torture hill and times the rest of us. I think e-bikes are a great thing to get more folks out to exercise and extend outdoor activy for the less fit among us. At 66 years old myself I might need to go e-bike sometime in my future, however the day I do this is the day I stop calling myself a cyclist.......

GP likes to troll, aka "making people think." I haven't seen anything interesting from him in a while. He didn't invent underbiking and any time I see something from him I tune it out.

I think in the end, ebikes will be a net positive for the cycling community. There are people that would never ride a bike that are now interested in them. And they do give exercise, it just cuts down on the pain somewhat. That's good for society as a whole. The fact that people are modifying them to go fast is a pain though.

Wait, e-bikes aren't really bikes? It's right there in the name! It seems silly that some would get so worked up over this.

No. I'd guess the production of e-bikes is generally less green than human powered bikes, but there are lots of variables in that equation.

I don't know.

In anycase, both battery production and consumer electricity grow greener by the day.

Maybe, but it will never be 100% green, as are conventional bikes.

It takes a long time for a conventional new bike to work off its carbon debt,

considering ; manufacturing , shipping around the globe and trucked to the store,
and all the packing materials used once and thrown away ,
to keep it in the same condition it was when wrapped & boxed
and packed in the seagoing shipping container..





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The operation of an e-bike can be 100% green. But the life-cycle ecological cost of an e-bike will probably never be as low as a regular bike, at least not for a while.

all the e-bike butt hurt makes me want one more than ever

There are 2 types of people: binary and non-binary.

Slightly OT: Last Saturday I rode an event in Pittsburgh called the Dirty Dozen;it's a race the incorporates the 13 steepest hills in the city -- and Pittsburgh is a very hilly city. Most participants are merely out there trying to make it up each hill and get a finisher's ribbon.

A couple weeks before the event, a person posted a question on the race's facebook page, asking if it was okay to bring an eBike...And the poster seemed miffed at the answer "no." He argued that they were "excluding" people by not allowing eBikes. And as another poster observed (I'm paraphrasing), the whole object of the event is to exclude people who can't complete it under their own power -- that is what makes it an achievement.

So, I wonder if that is what really irritates me about eBikes: that some of their riders will confuse their actions with actual achievement, and some of the spectators may do the same.

There, fixed it.

Neither to be confused with the Bynars.

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I have no agenda on this. I couldn't care less about e-bike regulation. My point is strictly logical.

God I'm sick of hearing about E-bikes! If you want one or need one, for heaven's sake just buy it and ride it where it's allowed. QUIT trying to convince us that it's just like a bicycle. Bicycles are human powered--IT'S IN THEIR VERY DEFINITION! Quit insulting us because we don't accept that they are bicycles, quit assuming we're elitists or have an agenda (lol-like ebike advocates don't have one?) or that we're purists or whatever. They're one thing, bicycles are another thing. FACT!

I've been a fan of Grant's for over 20 years. I've been a fan of ebikes never. I don't give a crap about ebikes, and I'm so sick of hearing about them!

One thing you may have overlooked. My wife and I are in our sixties and have been riding together for all of our 46 years together. My wife developed a severe case of arthritis and fibromyalgia about a dozen years ago and could no longer join me on my regular rides. We both ride road bikes of the vintage variety. She is not overweight and keeps herself in great shape for her disabilities. She can now join me as she has an ebike. She never uses it as a motor bike , she always pedals with the assistance of the motor. The bike allows her to ride( not fast) with just enough assistance to keep her from over exerting herself. I hope I never have to ride one , but if I were in her position I would get one and be proud to ride it. Just a thought , Joe

So .... an E-bike is pedal-powered .... just not exclusively so. So by the definition in post #71 it qualifies.

This thread makes less sense than most Monty Python sketches.

Y'all are some sick and twisted individuals ... bless your hearts.

Thank You!! I have stated that someone may have overlooked the fact that we aren't all blessed with good health. My wife never rides her ebike without pedaling with the motor. Without her ebike we could not cycle together. I ride vintage road bikes and am still riding the racer I bought in 1976, but I don't share my wife's disability so fortunately I don't need assistance. If riding an ebike was the only way for me to ride, I would have one. Joe