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Old 09-02-19, 12:34 PM
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I am surprised at how many people (cyclist) 'yell' at dogs.

yelling is something road ragers do at each other, and yelling is seen as aggressive. I mean dogs don't understand words, but they do understand aggression.
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Dog behavior

Iíve used the yell at the top of your lungs method and for me it works
But I could see how it might not work if you didnít see the dog coming early enough.As for the pepper spray method, I probably wouldnít have it out soon enough to be effective
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I used to carry a collapsible baton until they became illegal in this state—not to hit the dog, but to push it away or give it something to grab. Rarely encounter dogs on my rides these days, but I've had experiences. Dogs are "hard wired" to chase and catch. As far as I'm concerned, any dog chasing me or coming at me is a threat, even if its intentions are entirely benign. Even a five pound dog under or in a wheel is going to be bad news for both of us.

Maybe I should consider "bending the law," with the baton, but I don't like the idea. Perhaps I should get some pepper spray.
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Unfortunately--and dog trainers have confirmed this--it's not always possible to predict whether a dog will bite or not, especially if someone doesn't own the dog and, therefore, doesn't know how to was raised or whether or not it's owner allowed it to continue to do bad, behavioral habits toward humans (i.e. playing a game with their dog, allowing them to play-bite them, their hands, fingers, etc.) There are several reasons a dog might bite: rabies, aggression, feeling physically unwell, play biting, fear, confusion, etc.

Even dog owners who've said that their dog never showed any aggression, have suddenly been bitten without warning, while attempting to pet them, give them food, play around with them, etc.

I've been barked at and chased by dozens of dogs, for years, since I was a kid, mostly while walking (not jogging or running), in suburbs and rural areas. You're lucky; where I live, dogs never wag their tails when coming up to others: they're always barking, thinking they have to protect their owner from other humans.

But, ironically, I was bitten last year, by a loose German Shepherd who wasn't even barking or growling at me, just quietly staring at me, while moving in front of my way, on the road; then, after I just stood there, it decided to come up to me and quickly bite my wrist (perhaps, considered to be a "nip," but it still hurt a lot and numbed my arm for a few weeks, apparently affecting the nerves in my arm, hand (which, I learned, online, can sometimes cause permanent nerve damage). So, while the dog's owner apparently didn't think his dog actually bit me, I was worried that I wouldn't have a functioning arm and hand, anymore. The dog owner claimed that he's always let his dog loose, to let it play with a neighbors' kids; that his dog wouldn't bite anyone, etc.

I usually just shout harshly at dogs, attempting to be an "alpha," and trying to get them to stop barking and coming up to me; it kind of seems to be working. But, quieter dogs are a bit trickier, because they don't let on how they're feeling, easily.

I kind of worry about trying to use physical things against dogs, fearing that that might only anger or scare them further or provoke them into feeling justified in biting me (because it's possible that they might view it as me attempting to attack them, when I'd only be trying to defend myself and getting them to stay away from me), as, I think I've heard of others saying that attempting to throw things like rocks, sticks, and using pepper spray caused a dog(s) to bite them.

I've tried throwing small sticks, a couple of times, but I don't think it really worked that much.

The other thing that comes from shouting is that, sometimes, it might cause the dog's owner to come out or look at what their dog is doing, and perhaps, cause them to not allow their dog to be loose, anymore, or try to help train their dog to not chase people who are passing by; one dog that used to come up to me and another cyclist, barking, suddenly, only stays barking by their owner's house, now, a few times after the dog's owner had witnessed me shouting at their dog when it'd come up in the street, barking.

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Originally Posted by Darth Lefty View Post
Twain: ďOutside of a dog, a book is a manís best friend. Inside of a dog, itís too dark to read.Ē
That is one of my favorite quotes, but it was Groucho Marks who said it.
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I used to carry a collapsible baton until they became illegal in this stateónot to hit the dog, but to push it away or give it something to grab. Rarely encounter dogs on my rides these days, but I've had experiences. Dogs are "hard wired" to chase and catch. As far as I'm concerned, any dog chasing me or coming at me is a threat, even if its intentions are entirely benign. Even a five pound dog under or in a wheel is going to be bad news for both of us.

Maybe I should consider "bending the law," with the baton, but I don't like the idea. Perhaps I should get some pepper spray.
just stop, break out a leash and call the dog to you. most dogs know what a leash is. if it still comes over, pet it. other wise it will probably keep it's distance.
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Originally Posted by stephr1 View Post
Yep...Love (not) the people who tell me "My dog won't bite you." And my response is "Sure...Until it does!"

I've owned a few dogs over the years and one of my dogs that was fairly docile (large Golden Retriever) was always great until a friend came to visit and brought his young child with him. While my friend and I were catching up, I noticed his son had waddled off. I immediately tracked him into another room where he had pretty much cornered this 125 lb. animal. Based on the look and expression of my dog's face, I could tell she had almost reached her limits with this child. So I quickly walked over, picked up the kid, brought him back to his dad and suggested he not let his son wander around the house.

So, as I said at the beginning...dogs don't bite, until they do.
A better idea would be to put the dog out or in a room until your guests leave. Either that or don't allow guests with small children. Especially now that you know the two don't mix.
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I am surprised at how many people (cyclist) 'yell' at dogs.

yelling is something road ragers do at each other, and yelling is seen as aggressive. I mean dogs don't understand words, but they do understand aggression.
Indeed they do. And its the best way to show them who's boss. You need to appear as big and as scary as you can. A posture all animals understand.
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just stop, break out a leash and call the dog to you. most dogs know what a leash is. if it still comes over, pet it. other wise it will probably keep it's distance.
Calling an unknown animal? That's the worst advice of the month.
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Unfortunately--and dog trainers have confirmed this--it's not always possible to predict whether a dog will bite or not, especially if someone doesn't own the dog and, therefore, doesn't know how to was raised or whether or not it's owner allowed it to continue to do bad, behavioral habits toward humans (i.e. playing a game with their dog, allowing them to play-bite them, their hands, fingers, etc.) There are several reasons a dog might bite: rabies, aggression, feeling physically unwell, play biting, fear, confusion, etc.

Even dog owners who've said that their dog never showed any aggression, have suddenly been bitten without warning, while attempting to pet them, give them food, play around with them, etc.

I've been barked at and chased by dozens of dogs, for years, since I was a kid, mostly while walking (not jogging or running), in suburbs and rural areas. You're lucky; where I live, dogs never wag their tails when coming up to others: they're always barking, thinking they have to protect their owner from other humans.

But, ironically, I was bitten last year, by a loose German Shepherd who wasn't even barking or growling at me, just quietly staring at me, while moving in front of my way, on the road; then, after I just stood there, it decided to come up to me and quickly bite my wrist (perhaps, considered to be a "nip," but it still hurt a lot and numbed my arm for a few weeks, apparently affecting the nerves in my arm, hand (which, I learned, online, can sometimes cause permanent nerve damage). So, while the dog's owner apparently didn't think his dog actually bit me, I was worried that I wouldn't have a functioning arm and hand, anymore. The dog owner claimed that he's always let his dog loose, to let it play with a neighbors' kids; that his dog wouldn't bite anyone, etc.

I usually just shout harshly at dogs, attempting to be an "alpha," and trying to get them to stop barking and coming up to me; it kind of seems to be working. But, quieter dogs are a bit trickier, because they don't let on how they're feeling, easily.

I kind of worry about trying to use physical things against dogs, fearing that that might only anger or scare them further or provoke them into feeling justified in biting me (because it's possible that they might view it as me attempting to attack them, when I'd only be trying to defend myself and getting them to stay away from me), as, I think I've heard of others saying that attempting to throw things like rocks, sticks, and using pepper spray caused a dog(s) to bite them.

I've tried throwing small sticks, a couple of times, but I don't think it really worked that much.

The other thing that comes from shouting is that, sometimes, it might cause the dog's owner to come out or look at what their dog is doing, and perhaps, cause them to not allow their dog to be loose, anymore, or try to help train their dog to not chase people who are passing by; one dog that used to come up to me and another cyclist, barking, suddenly, only stays barking by their owner's house, now, a few times after the dog's owner had witnessed me shouting at their dog when it'd come up in the street, barking.
Way too much analysis. Assume any dog that runs after you intends to bite. That's what dogs do.
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This was quite a few years ago in another life. I had seen the dog with other people (including kids) and she seemed fine so I didn't worry about when my friend came over. In fact, she had come to say "Hi!", sniffed and licked his son and walked away to go back to her nap.

Had been engaged in conversation with my friend so neither of us noticed his son had walked away until I did.

But, your point is well-taken. Should I ever have another dog.....

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A better idea would be to put the dog out or in a room until your guests leave. Either that or don't allow guests with small children. Especially now that you know the two don't mix.
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This whole thread reminds me of a real Twain quote that I have always agreed with,
"The more I learn about people, the more I like my dog"
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Poised .... ready and waiting ...... luring the next unsuspecting cyclist into a false sense of security with her behavior ... just before she pounces



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Anyone who claims that dogs donít smile has obviously never shared quality time with a dog.






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Too many dog haters here.

I ride the backroads and have not once been bothered by a dog.

Humans, on stupidly big trucks, old ladies driving land barges and teenagers on obnoxiously loud motorcycles—they are a real concern.

Plus je connais les hommes, plus j’aime les chiens.

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Originally Posted by eja_ bottecchia View Post
Too many dog haters here.

i ride the backroads and have not once been bothered by a dog.

Humans, on stupidly big trucks, old ladies driving land barges and teenagers on obnoxiously loud motorcycles—they are an real concern.

Plus je connais les hommes, plus j’aime les chiens.
Dogs do what dogs do -- attack any intruder the ventures into their territory. It's the owners of the dogs that let them run wild that should be admonished.

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i ride the backroads and have not once been bothered by a dog.
You ever make it down to Georgia send me a PM and Iíll help you get some experience to round out your worldview.
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You ever make it down to Georgia send me a PM and Iíll help you get some experience to round out your worldview.
What? Dogs are different in your neck of the woods? Are they bigger, fiercer, tougher than farm dogs where I live?

Is Lake Lanier still in Georgia? If so, then I have ridden on your backroads and no, I havenít been bothered by your dogs.
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Dogs do what dogs do -- attack any intruder the ventures into their territory. It's the owners of the dogs that let them run wild that should be admonished.
You are not writing anything substantially different from what I wrote.

It is humans who, for the most part, are crappy.
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This is what I got coasting up to a stop sign this pass friday on a country road. I heard a growl look left and two Great Pyrenees were in the road and hit me before I could blink. I brought my left arm down on the one that bite my left calf and they both ran back to the yard they came from. Didn't see either of them coming along the road. They were in a shaded area of the yard I guess. Called the Sheriff after I got the **** out of there. The dog warren was at the house within 30 minutes after my call. The dogs wouldn't let her out of the car and bit at the tires as she pulled out to meet me. No one was home at the time.

Turned out both dogs had their shots 5 months prior and the wonderful electric dog fence was dead. Taking amox-clav in case of infection.
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What? Dogs are different in your neck of the woods? Are they bigger, fiercer, tougher than farm dogs where I live?

Is Lake Lanier still in Georgia? If so, then I have ridden on your backroads and no, I haven’t been bothered by your dogs.
With all due respect, Lake Lanier is upscale suburbia.

The rural countryside west of Atlanta is different. The main problem there are inbred farm dogs and aggressive trailer home pit bulls.

I know three people who have been bit and an acquaintance had his leg mauled a few weeks ago, needs reconstructive surgery.

We are pretty fed up down here. We all carry pepper spray and have the county animal control offices phone numbers in our phone.


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What? Dogs are different in your neck of the woods? Are they bigger, fiercer, tougher than farm dogs where I live?

Is Lake Lanier still in Georgia? If so, then I have ridden on your backroads and no, I havenít been bothered by your dogs.
What? Your post states youíve never been bothered by a dog while riding. So how would you know anything about farm dogs in your area?

Or was the implication that being chased by dogs doesnít bother you? Reading it now Iím not clear.

Dog incidents, like flat tires, are not evenly distributed among the riding population. I had a serious dog attack my first three months riding as an adult, then I never saw a chasing dog for four+ years and now I get a aggressive dog every couple rides or so since I ride gravel way out in the country.

Last ride I did in Carroll County GA I got chased by 27 dogs total. 7 of which were aggressive enough that they tried to bite my shoes while I was still pedaling. Rural Georgia has a ton of kept strays and wild dogs, something that has to be experienced to be believed. Lake Lanier ainít been rural for a couple decades, that was my main riding area from 2012-2013 and I never had a chasing dog in almost a thousand hours of riding around there.
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With all due respect, Lake Lanier is upscale suburbia.

The rural countryside west of Atlanta is different. The main problem there are inbred farm dogs and aggressive trailer home pit bulls.

I know three people who have been bit and an acquaintance had his leg mauled a few weeks ago, needs reconstructive surgery.

We are pretty fed up down here. We all carry pepper spray and have the county animal control offices phone numbers in our phone.


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Maybe California farm dogs are more civilized and less hostile than what you have back down South.

Another good reason for staying in California after I retire.

Carry on with your regularly scheduled dog chase.
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What? Your post states youíve never been bothered by a dog while riding. So how would you know anything about farm dogs in your area?

Or was the implication that being chased by dogs doesnít bother you? Reading it now Iím not clear.

Dog incidents, like flat tires, are not evenly distributed among the riding population. I had a serious dog attack my first three months riding as an adult, then I never saw a chasing dog for four+ years and now I get a aggressive dog every couple rides or so since I ride gravel way out in the country.

Last ride I did in Carroll County GA I got chased by 27 dogs total. 7 of which were aggressive enough that they tried to bite my shoes while I was still pedaling. Rural Georgia has a ton of kept strays and wild dogs, something that has to be experienced to be believed. Lake Lanier ainít been rural for a couple decades, that was my main riding area from 2012-2013 and I never had a chasing dog in almost a thousand hours of riding around there.
Georgia, the land of killer dogs.

I read someplace that dogs, like other animals, smell fear. After reading so many of these posts, both from people like me who have never been bothered by dogs and by people like you who are being constantly chased by dogs, I am beginning to think that there might be some truth to that.

In any event, enjoy your ride and be safe out there. If the dogs wonít get you, the boys driving pick up trucks with large Confederate flags might.
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Ah, a non-rider comes to troll. Understood, good luck with your remaining time on bikeforums.
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Dogs are better than people. I never had any real problem even with the most vile dog that i have encountered. It just barked at me and i slowly passed it by walking. They are just protecting their territory. If a dog is not crazy or not "raised" crazy, it will never try to bite you unless you threaten it or try to "run away" from it. Running from a dog triggers its hunter instict. You should stand your ground and move slowly. Do not turn your back on a dog. It will leave you alone once you are out of its territory.

PS: I have survived encounters with more than 10 dogs attacking me in rural areas. I know what i am talking about. More dogs, less men. That is my motto.
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I got attacked by a ferocious pekingese a couple weeks ago. Near as I could tell, the dog ran out of the front door in front of the owner who was yelling his head off at the dog to stop. The house was right at the bottom of a hill, so I really couldn't outrun the little thing who charged me at a right angle with surprising speed. When she closed, I could see that the most she could possibly do was bite my shoe, but I was seriously concerned that I was about to run over her. I hopped off the bike and picked my foot up so it was over her head and yelled as loud as I could "Hey!". She immediately without missing a beat turned around and ran back into the yard as fast as she charged. I think the owner actually thought I was about to stomp his dog and looked quite relieved when I yelled. He apologized profusely at which point I said "no problem, I was just training her."

Except for the possibility of running over them, which is pretty scary, it's hilarious when such a little dog doesn't realize the thing it's attacking is so much bigger.
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I always feel a little bad when the short dogs come out. Their little legs just donít have the stride to do much more than make it off the porch before Iím gone
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