Seriously, you're surprised? Have you been following California over the past decade or so? You're surprised? I'm surprised they haven't banned everything, then complained they have no food, water, and want the Federal government to come in, plant gardens for everyone, harvest it, clean it with bottled water, bottled in recycled squid livers, then come to their house and feed them wearing gloves made of organic pig intestines.

You're surprised?

As opposed to the idiots in the legislature.

Let's cool it with the political comments.

Last year my employer remodeled our office and the new snack machines had these warnings on them. Living in Fla I was initially confused why Ca warnings would be on machines in Fla. I did have fun pointing out the labels to others.

And California has yet figured out a way to stick a label up there but be sure they’ll spend millions working on it.

Ive been a lifelong resident and your observations only scratch the surface. It is an interesting place to be.

Just recently, a test lead cord set that my company sells was required to start putting Prop 65 stickers on them - because they contain BRASS. Yeah, the female end of the wire set has brass connections, covered by heat shrink tubing. But because someone might somehow decide to chew-on our test lead wire set and swallow the brass, we are required to put Prop 65 stickers on them.

BTW, we are NOT in Ca-ca-fornia, and we did NOT get the opportunity vote for the Prop 65 measure, yet we are FORCED to comply with Ca-Ca-Fornia's laws...

I HATE Commie-fornia!!!!

Stupid because of the rules (they are overreaching) but I believe that even if you are not in California, if you sell it to someone there, that is what matters, as far as I can tell. I may be wrong, though. I think it's the same as when motorcycle engines are "49 state legal" or "50 state legal". The former is not allowed to be shipped to California to be used there.

LIke here:

50 state legal:
https://www.sscycle.com/engines/#reg...ity=California

49 state legal:
https://www.sscycle.com/engines/#

Cars, too... Or car parts. Good luck to the Classic Musclecar enthusiast in CaCa...

I predict this thread will run longer than most chain lube threads.

There (inexplicably) was a post with a screen shot from the banned user thread here. We have always had that thread to explain why someone was banned. I don't sere why it was posted here and so I deleted it. We're just here to keep the ankle-biting and spam to a minimum, and I think we do an okay job for a batch of volunteers. And yes, we don't allow people to talk about moderation except via private message.

I know some people read the banned user thread for entertainment. It's a pretty active thread, people who need to know already know about it.

Ah, thanks for explaining it!

People are leaving California in droves. Maybe they fear Prop. 65, or the mentality that led to Prop. 65.

Since we all have to live with Prop 65 labels in the rest of the USA now, Californians now feel safe enough to move out of their state.

I know I can sleep well at night here in Tejas thanks to all the Prop 65 labels here. Before that? I was a tossin' and a turnin' with worry. :twitchy:

Prop 65 has been around for decades. It was a clean water initiative to remove toxins that were found in water. It has definitely mushroomed over the years as lawsuits were brought against products, such as lead in faucets, etc. I’m sure a lot of the early plastic utensils and drinking cups were probably harmful if someone used them exclusively for decades.

Unfortunately it has become more of a way to avoid liability and any real suspect items are lost in the shuffle. People like to joke about cancer, but I’m not sure how many cancer survivors, or those who have lost someone to cancer are joking. I don’t agree with the mass labeling, but it is not a hill I’m going to die on.

And yes, I’ve owned muscle cars in California.

John

Personally, 3 people I've known lost the battle with cancer. Two with great health care coverage and suffered with cancer and the treatments for 3 to 4 years before succumbing to it. The other person had no health care coverage and didn't know they had cancer until they were physically ill enough to go to an ER and find they had a month to live.

Cancer survivors I've known personally? Two.

I've been knowingly on the precipice of death at least 3 times. Not due to cancer, but other things. I'm going to joke about certain aspects of death. Life is already too serious otherwise.
:beer:

Meh, it's like the multiple pages (or chapters) of cautions in an instruction manual. No one cares or reads them.

If you followed all the Prop 65 warnings, how much would your odds of contracting cancer decrease?
It seems like the initiative has been a failure we are surrounded by millions of chemicals, more every year, impossible to avoid and American life expectancy is decreasing.

Didn't read all preceding replies, so excuse me if this has already been mentioned. Most cycling products are polyester, which is a synthetic petroleum based fibre, so there ya go (though I'm not sure the levels needed are present in polyester clothing--but to earn the Prop 65 warning-would it take much?). Anyone have wool garments (with no polyester)-doubt they have the warning?

"So, in other words, it is a measure voted on by a bunch of idiots in the voting population, rather than a measure dreamed up by an idiot representative of a bunch of idiots in the voting population."

Priceless, on point, and truthful! Got a great chuckle from this pearl of wisdom.

And yet "safe amounts" of toxic substances are based on 160 lb. man, not a 40 lb. child. It's a weird, wild world.

I want to find out more about this "banned user" thread.

Does it also have a Prop 65 label? :D

(There used to be a good "classics" sticky about "massive quads" and "dressing like Lance" "the Look .....")

Carbon black is one of the most common substances to trigger the labeling requirement. Nearly all black plastic and rubber parts have carbon black, because it is a key ingredient in providing UV resistance. Carbon Black is carcinogenic in unbound particles of respirable size. While it is nearly impossible to get unbound particles of respirable size in normal use, it is easier for companies to label a product than to file for an exemption to the rule.

I'm sure that classics thread is still around, we un-stick threads a lot nowadays because they waste a lot of space and nobody reads them.

The banned user thread is in this forum. https://www.bikeforums.net/news-announcements/ You may break the infinite scroll feature of the forum though, so it might be wise to turn it off. on edit: I just looked at the last page and infinite scroll didn't act up. Last page goes back to June.

My new Speedplay cleats came with a Prop 65 warning. So much for licking, eating, or smoking my cleats after a good ride!

Thanks for watching out for me, CA!