lol I don't share it and most of us do the same. Don't shame me, I'm trying.

You rode 5 miles too far.

No you aren't trying. Sneaking in Vodka in your cycling bottle in a house with people who also need help is not really much of a try. Also because someone else does it doesn't mean you should as well. You should stop and focus your life on better things. If you really enjoy the taste of alcohol you should try Lyre's. It is quite tasty and has the flavors you want without the alcohol or you can drink a billion other things that just don't contain alcohol.

Figure out why you feel you need to drink and fix that issue in your life.

Imagine how much more you could drink refuel if you wore a cycling jersey...

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...2430e83cf8.jpg

I don't know that shame does anything for anybody...except for the shame-er & their feeling of superiority.

Seriously? You want to drive someone away, make 'em dig in their heels, get a chip on their shoulder, discredit your own well intentions, & give 'em a reason to continue on their path? It's easy. Just shame & disown them. For the addict choosing to use is often easier than dealing with you.

No addict ever recovered with out a conscious choice to decide so for themselves. Oh, sure...Plenty got clean 'cause their choice of chemical got taken away or the opportunity to engage got removed. But recovery is a choice to accept one's self as is & move on.

Most reasons related to addiction have to do with an absence of meaningful connections & a sense of belonging. When this need is met, the reason for use is eliminated.

People tend to go where they are accepted.
People tend to adopt opinions they think their group thinks.
People tend to adopt actions & behaviors consistent with what they think people in their group approve of.

The answer, as always, is compassion, empathy, & friendship. I see little of that in this thread.

Ask yourself this: When was the last time you did a thing, anything at all, let alone change your whole life trajectory because some rando "out-group" person that you don't know or don't particularly care for told you to do said thing?

The OP didn't ask about drinking or commentary on his life choices; He asked about refueling during a ride.

Well, my advice on that is refueling isn't going to matter if you drank a fifth of vodka the night before. He brought up his drinking, and it's absurd to pretend that it doesn't relate to the question he asked. I don't think we're going to facilitate his recovery here and I agree shaming isn't effective, but I don't think we should enable his slow motion suicide by pretending he asked a reasonable question. I'm an alcoholic who's been sober for forty years, his OP is dripping with bad alcoholic logic and denial. I don't think it's a stretch to think that alcohol played a role in this guy breaking his neck (he pretty much said so), so I don't think this should turn into a forum on best riding techniques while in the throes of a raging addiction that appears to already have come close to killing him.

Remember folks, there's Larryz World and Real World. Not a lot of overlap. It was sometimes fun to hear about pursuing the girl or clown riding with no shirt and flip flops. Getting a little stale now. Adding "drunkard" to the persona probably isn't as amusing as he'd hoped.

Why are all vegans so preachy and holier than thou.

Larry, I hope you can find peace and recovery. You have to want to find it.

Alas, if you know anything about alcoholism, his statements here have the ring of truth. I wish he was joking, but I really don't think so.

You don't want to get me started on the whole "sober house" travesty that's going on in this country, it's way beyond the scope of this forum.

My wife's niece is 35 and dying from alcoholism. We as a family have tried to help her paying for 3 separate programs, but she was kicked out of each one. Professes to want to get help, puts on a good game face, and we got suckered each time. Just before Christmas she was kicked out of the last place. A day after she was kicked out of the place an ex-army fella was conned into taking her in. He dropped her off at her dad's house a week later. He told him that she has been drunk for a solid week and she needs help. He informed him that she has been booted out of 3 different rehabs.
Due to what I observe as mental illness she cannot be helped. We have explored legal guardianship, however there is no official diagnosis of incapacitating mental illness and it will be very difficult to gain guardianship to get her committed to a lockdown facility. I said to all of us involved that we must be willing to accept the fact that she is going to kill herself with this stuff.

Hopefully she won't be behind the wheel, taking some innocents with her.:twitchy:

I believe you, but I don't think you'd be talking about this online if you thought what you're trying is working. I respect your honesty here, but unfortunately all you can get from this forum is going to be some combination of useless shaming and equally useless sympathy. I hope you have the resources to try something else in your quest for sobriety and if cycling is a part of that, great.

Seriously, I wish you all the best, but whether or not to eat a Clif bar or whatever during a ride is the least of your issues. Maybe your OP was your way of telling yourself that.

I don't disagree.

Healing doesn't happen in a straight line.

I read that depression is being treated with psychoactive meds. Try mushrooms.

Get better help and improve self image.
My dad was a functioning alcoholic from about age 40. But a lousy dad & husband.
Find a true friend that does not drink.

Buy boots with straps and pull them on every day. Especially when they feel heavy.

Cycling solution for bonk is protein bars. Yes I might bonk at 45 miles.

maybe I should put salts in my water (k and na) after a heavy drinking night. I know alcohol is a huge issue, and I've actually turned down an offer of a carbon bike from someone I ride with because of it. No point in upgrading until I fix the elephant in the room (also my weight.)

i was asking about legit advice for refueling, not crying for help. 45 miles seems too short to have bonked. I dismissed someone's dehydration comments but I was drinking straight water with no salts so maybe I ran out of electrolytes.

but ty, lots of endurance athletes seem to have addiction issues. Some of the people I ride with know of my struggle and are supportive.

I haven't dealt personally with substance abuse so I'll decline to comment on that, apart from wishing you success in dealing with it.

BUT, alcohol and weight are not unrelated. That 750 mL of vodka you drank had about 1600 Calories in it, about 4/5 of all you'd need for an entire day. Even if you only ate 2000 Calories of food, you'd still be way in excess. I don't suggest you cut out the food, though.

once you start drinking a bunch you process it differently. I highly doubt I get 7 calories per gram. Spitballing but it's probably more like 2-3. There are people who drink a handle (1.75L) of liquor every day and most are thin.

this is just a fyi. You're right that its effecting my weight and body comp negatively.

I'd just observe that you always have a rationalization for everything, whether it's not wanting to wear a shirt, or bringing a bottle into rehab, or alcohol not making you fat. Rationalizations can be great. They can allow one to keep functioning when it seems hopeless. But they can also allow you to justify doing stuff you KNOW you shouldn't because 'everyone here does it'. If you're trying to beat an addiction, perhaps you should not try to justify behaviors you know are bad because others who are also failing are doing them.

What I said has ZERO to do with not exploiting animals and most carnists are actually quite preachy to they just all agree with each other so they don't get it. The reason I said what I said is knowing a lot of people in recovery and who are alcoholics who need help and have a friend die in a car crash at a younger age because of his drinking. I am not perfect nor did I claim to be perfect nor do I claim to be holy (not believing in higher powers would squash that easily). Dude mentioned drinking and bringing alcohol into a house with other other people trying to recover and was laughing about it and his history here shows troll behavior. We are on an online forum this was inevitable but in my case I actually provided some help. Sure maybe I was using the shame card a bit much, maybe I was harsh but again past history of the OP and this is the internet. If you want to be so perfect go for it, I however am not I am as the two people who had sex and brought me to an adoption center shortly after made me and the life I have lived since then.

I also should point out I am not against alcohol and do drink myself (not much maybe once or twice a month) but seeing people go down a path that hurts others is not good and I think it is valuable to say something.

im not justifying anything, just am very interested in biology and have done lots of research on nutrition etc. alcohol is a VERY weird macronutrient in terms of how we process it. It's more being nerdy than justifying, obviously it's not helping.

Being interested in biology is not the same as understanding it. :rolleyes:

You probably bonked because you poisoned yourself the night before. There's no magic salts or whatever to alter that.

It's not only 7 calories per gram, your body prioritizes metabolizing it because of its toxicity, so it makes it more likely that the carbs you eat get converted into fat. This is one of the main mechanisms for developing cirrhosis.

So basically, I see this thread as the equivalent of "I shot myself and the bullet went through my arm. Will it hurt less if I wear sunblock?"

Larry's right about one thing, alcohol has some really weird metabolic effects. Humoring him by making suggestions other than don't drink a fifth of vodka isn't doing him any favor, and you can probably just assume whatever is working for you has no real application to this question.