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Old 07-17-22, 10:46 AM
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hello people: I just really just noticed that a lot of new bikes,
especially mountain types have only one front sprocket. I'm use to seeing two and three. Like what I have. What's up with that?
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Old 07-17-22, 10:58 AM
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LMGTFY

www.wolftoothcomponents.com/pages/the-mechanics-and-science-of-1x-drivetrains

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Now that rear clusters routinely have ten or more sprockets, the need for the additional front mechanism, shifter, etc. has lessened.
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Is this guy trying to be the new Larry Sellerz?
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It is a supply chain issue.

Years ago there were no issues with the supply chain with fewer cogs in the cassette, there was less wear on the supply chain.

As more cogs were added to the rear, this caused supply chains to wear thin, especially during the pandemic.

Unfortunately, in a global economy, supply chains were not maintained adequately and wearing resulted in the availability of parts skipping all over the place.

So now you only get one chainring.

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Hmm:
Hmm. https://www.wolftoothcomponents.com/p...1x-drivetrains

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hello people and hello to people of the corn: I think that large rear cluster is going to ware the chain out faster due to the angle it has to be in to get that gear. I found my smoothest riding gear when the front sprocket is in line with the rear like a one-speed bike.
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It’s not really the supply chain. It is the round earth vs flat earth.

On a round earth you are always riding up or down so you need more range.

On a flat earth you can get away with one chainring.

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Originally Posted by cxwrench View Post

Is this guy trying to be the new Larry Sellerz?
Maybe he IS Larry. Either way, it was old the minute it got started. BF isnít likely to stop this, so you have to cut off its food supply.
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Also the large rear cluster requires more paper spacers that need waterproofing to ride in the rain. You should stick with what you have if you are happy with it.
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A very biased article by WolfTooth. Yes 1X is simpler with no front shifter and front derailer, but it's not like front derailers wear out, I've got a Suntour triple from 1991 that is still functioning mostly as it's such a simple piece of equipment there's little to go wrong. Yes, 1X saves a bit of weight, so does taking a dump before you ride. 1X is easy as it's only the rear shift, the 11 and 12 speed systems give you the overall range of a tripe, but with only 12 gears you miss on a lot of mid-range gears that can be useful to keep up your cadence. My 9 spd. triple give me 14 different gears where as my 1X 12 sp. only gives me 12. And it's not like front shifting suddenly started to suck and they needed to move to eliminate the front derailer. The Shimano Di2 electronic front shifting is pretty much perfect and defies the argument of 1X being easy to use. There are advantages in frame design to eliminating the front derailer, the entire area around the bottom bracket is different, front suspension is easier to facilitate without dealing with front derailer movement, tires can be bigger with no issues of the tire getting hit by the derailer and in many cases these are better arguments. 1X does work really well on mt. bikes, especially where you are in terrain with a lot of fast up and downs where there's no need to think about the front shift and the rear shift. Is why I [prefer 1X on a mt. bikem but not on a gravel or road bike
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hello people and people of the corn: I just saw in that article word of a clutch style rear deral. Never heard of the one before. How is Larry dooowing? Sounds like you miss em?
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Cube begat Could begat Qwaaal begat.... Does the Obtrusive L share DNA?
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hello people and people of the corn: I just saw in that article word of a clutch style rear deral. Never heard of the one before. How is Larry dooowing? Sounds like you miss em?
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Maybe he IS Larry. Either way, it was old the minute it got started. BF isnít likely to stop this, so you have to cut off its food supply.
Sad but true.
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Hi! What’s this thread about?
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Lots of you are making a joke out of this, but I'm wondering the same thing. Case in point: I have a 2019 Specialized Diverge with a 2x drive train which is perfect for the rides I do. The current Diverge lineup is all 1x for 105 and up groupsets, so I couldn't replace what I have with the current offerings from Specialized. The big issue for me would be that I like the 48-11 high gear, but the 1x offerings have smaller chainrings. I also like the closer spacing of the gears in the casette. It's not a problem for me. I'm happy with the bike I have. But it would be a problem if I wanted to replace my current Diverge.

There may be bikes from other companies that would be better suited for me. I haven't checked because I'm not looking for another bike. But like the OP, I'm thinking I'd rather have my 2x than follow the current 1x trend.
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1x is just the current "in thing". Just like 29" wheels were, then 650B, and now I'm seeing people talking about 26" wheels again. It is all about change to sell us more stuff.
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The pros/cons of 1X have been discussed to death here, along with tubeless vs clincher, rim vs disc, Shimano vs SRAM vs Campagnolo, etc., hence the feeling this is by OP.
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Sad but true.
Certainly is. This place (General Cycling) has become a mess.

Sad. Certainly don't blame the mods; just the way of the world.

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Originally Posted by 70sSanO View Post
It is a supply chain issue.

Years ago there were no issues with the supply chain with fewer cogs in the cassette, there was less wear on the supply chain.

As more cogs were added to the rear, this caused supply chains to wear thin, especially during the pandemic.

Unfortunately, in a global economy, supply chains were not maintained adequately and wearing resulted in the availability of parts skipping all over the place.

So now you only get one chainring.

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I donít know what you other fools are doing, but I wax my supply chains.
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hello people and hello to people of the corn
WTF is the people of the corn ???
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