Originally Posted by VegasJen (Post 22863131)

Thanks. I'm surprised at how eager some people are to nit pick just the most trivial things.

Originally Posted by rsbob (Post 22863581)

It’s very common with people with poor self-esteem trying to make themselves feel better. Unfortunately that strategy only results in temporary satisfaction, since it is no substitute for having a good sense of self, so they have to repeat it over and over again. Its very similar to school yard bullies. Usually it comes from their upbringing and how they were treated as children. Now you know.

Originally Posted by VegasJen (Post 22863820)

Hardcore enough for me. I liked some Clash and Billy Idol back in the day, but have to admit I'm more of a plain Jane bubblegum pop girl.

Originally Posted by livedarklions (Post 22863953)

Billy Idol in a conversation about hardcore punnnk?

Originally Posted by Eric F (Post 22863956)

There was a time when Billy Idol was considered punk...
https://youtu.be/l6XRwt99O4E

Originally Posted by livedarklions (Post 22863965)

But hardcore, never.

Originally Posted by Eric F (Post 22863970)

Opinion differ on what "punk" is. Some object to that term.

Originally Posted by Koyote (Post 22863966)

Dead Kennedys, Black Flag, Minor Threat, Minutemen, The Damned...And about a thousand other bands that none of us remember because they traveled around in beat-up old vans, playing in tiny clubs, selling DIY cassettes and living on fast food.

Shoot, I'm not even sure that Husker Du qualifies as hard core...I mean, they actually played pretty melodies, at least sometimes.

Originally Posted by Koyote (Post 22863966)

Dead Kennedys, Black Flag, Minor Threat, Minutemen, The Damned...And about a thousand other bands that none of us remember because they traveled around in beat-up old vans, playing in tiny clubs, selling DIY cassettes and living on fast food.

Shoot, I'm not even sure that Husker Du qualifies as hard core...I mean, they actually played pretty melodies, at least sometimes.

Originally Posted by Eric F (Post 22863978)

The Minutemen!!...So Cal legends!! I saw Mike Watt (Minutemen bass player) a couple of times in other groups. First was with fIREHOSE in about '91. Second time was Dos (Watt and Black Flag bass player, Kira Roessler) - 2 basses making strange and awesome music in a super tiny bar.

Originally Posted by Koyote (Post 22863976)

Nowadays, when I listed to '70s "punk" music, a lot of it just sounds like great pop music, at least to me. I mean, Elvis Costello was called a "punk rocker" back then, but his first two or three albums are full of great little pop songs.

The stuff called 'hardcore' is entirely different, though.

Originally Posted by livedarklions (Post 22863987)

I was in Minneapolis in the late 70s, early 80s.

Originally Posted by Koyote (Post 22863905)

You accuse people of "nit picking" when they point out the fallacies and factual errors in the very foundations of your arguments. e.g., if you're going to repeatedly insist that a term (like 'house brand') means the opposite of what it actually means, then you should expect people to correct you. You can call it nit picking, but you bring it on yourself by being (1) wrong, and (2) unable to admit that you are wrong even when confronted with facts that a ten-year old can comprehend.



Correcting fallacies and factual errors is not bullying; it's something we need to do more often, especially in the current environment in which many prominent people just make stuff up. In fact, I'd say that it takes more self-esteem and confidence (esp in real life - maybe not so much on the internet) to tell people, to their faces and with actual data and facts, that they are wrong about something.

I haven't seen much of what I would consider actual "bullying" behavior on bf...And what little I have seen has been promptly dealt with by the mods.

Originally Posted by rsbob (Post 22864095)

I was responding to ‘nit picking’ NOT factual errors. Factual errors should be challenged and corrected but in a coaching manner rather than in a derogatory manner.

Originally Posted by downtube42 (Post 22864117)

Two of us rolled into a convenience store in Concrete, WA around 11pm Saturday night, a half hour behind the C group that was ten minutes behind the B group who were maybe 30 minutes behind the A group who were maybe two hours behind the coureurs de vitesse. We were at around 300k into the 400k.

The attend said, "you guys are certainly more..."

I was waiting for it. Maybe crazy or insane or slow. Best case maybe he'd say hardcore but I don't expect that. Instead it was intrepid.

Intrepid? That's a first. I had to google it Sunday afternoon: fearless; adventurous (often used for rhetorical or humorous effect).

I like it. Sort of like hardcore but also the joke's on me because what I'm doing is s t u p i d.

Originally Posted by livedarklions (Post 22863965)

But hardcore, never.

Originally Posted by Koyote (Post 22863966)

Dead Kennedys, Black Flag, Minor Threat, Minutemen, The Damned...And about a thousand other bands that none of us remember because they traveled around in beat-up old vans, playing in tiny clubs, selling DIY cassettes and living on fast food.

Shoot, I'm not even sure that Husker Du qualifies as hard core...I mean, they actually played pretty melodies, at least sometimes.

Originally Posted by VegasJen (Post 22863794)

Well, hey, if you want to post up some videos of The Clash or Sex Pistols, I'm not stopping you.

Originally Posted by VegasJen (Post 22864251)

It's all good. I definitely remember The Ramones and DKs from that era, but I was a lot more mainstream in my tastes. As of now, I tend to like a lot of recent/current music but I watched Napoleon Dynamite a couple weeks back and got back on an 80s kick with bands like Wang Chung, When in Rome, A-Ha, Bangles, REM, The Cars, etc. I'm OK admitting I like bubblegum pop.

Originally Posted by indyfabz (Post 22864196)

I passed through Concrete twice while touring. Started from Bay View State Park. Cold and raining both times in late May. Howard Miller Steelhead Park down the road in Rockport, with its Adirondack shelters and piping hot showers, was like heaven.

Originally Posted by Koyote (Post 22863966)

Dead Kennedys, Black Flag, Minor Threat, Minutemen, The Damned...And about a thousand other bands that none of us remember because they traveled around in beat-up old vans, playing in tiny clubs, selling DIY cassettes and living on fast food.

Shoot, I'm not even sure that Hüsker Dü qualifies as hard core...I mean, they actually played pretty melodies, at least sometimes.

Originally Posted by 50PlusCycling (Post 22864329)

I’ll tell you hardcore, doing a 220km stage in southern Europe in the summer, waking up so sore the next day that you are almost unable to walk, and see blood in your urine when using the toilet. Then, trying to get your cycling shorts on when your legs are so sore that it hurts to bend your knees enough to pull them over your feet, getting back on your bike, riding a 120km stage, and finishing 2nd.

Today hardcore for me is a 40km loop around the town.