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Old 05-11-23, 10:47 AM
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Originally Posted by terrymorse
I no longer care when someone passes, but I used to play this game:

I would wait until the passer had a lead of about 100 meters, then I'd chase. I often could reel them in, especially if there was an uphill. My ride buddies would egg me on to give chase. "Forget it Terry, that guys way too fast. You'll never catch him."

Nowadays, with all the structured training, I just keep doing my pace and let folks pass. Or maybe I'm just too slow to give chase.
I don't intentionally set up the fox and hound situation, but it can be fun when it happens naturally. I'm definitely losing some ability to catch at ths point, age is catching up with me, I think.

Unlike you, Cat 6 is the only racing I have ever done.
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Originally Posted by livedarklions
I don't intentionally set up the fox and hound situation, but it can be fun when it happens naturally. I'm definitely losing some ability to catch at ths point, age is catching up with me, I think.

Unlike you, Cat 6 is the only racing I have ever done.
I think we're both cyclists of a certain age, so chasing and catching the youngs is no longer an option for us.

But if someone with lots of gray hair passes by, I still get the urge to give chase. Cat 6 racing can be fun, too.
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Originally Posted by terrymorse
I think we're both cyclists of a certain age, so chasing and catching the youngs is no longer an option for us.

But if someone with lots of gray hair passes by, I still get the urge to give chase. Cat 6 racing can be fun, too.
I was on a mountain bike ride with a friend who is a way better climber than I am and we encountered two youngs who were inexperienced and one of them made a comment about my friend's grey hair and him being an "old man". Friend took off and the kid went after him. The other kid and I followed from a distance. @ maybe 8500 feet I found the kid barfing in the bushes. I said "did you see which way that old man went?"
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Originally Posted by terrymorse
I think we're both cyclists of a certain age, so chasing and catching the youngs is no longer an option for us.
I can still chase down most younguns around here, but New Hampshire isn't exactly a hot bed of fast cyclists. Pretty sure you could ride some circles around me if you had to.
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I can still chase down most younguns around here, but New Hampshire isn't exactly a hot bed of fast cyclists. Pretty sure you could ride some circles around me if you had to.
I was at the bottom of the climb to Mosquito Flats, I think it's Rock Creek road. A friend who raced as a climbing specialist was riding around me as I was getting ready.

Someone said "Hey John she's riding circles around you just like she does on the road". It was the truth. I did make it to the top, though.
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^^^^^^^^
Highest paved road in California at over 10K feet.
Was up there on a ride in 2019.
By far the most majestic ride I've been on.
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^^^^^^^^
Highest paved road in California at over 10K feet.
Was up there on a ride in 2019.
By far the most majestic ride I've been on.
I was the one waving at you.
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Originally Posted by LarrySellerz
Agreed, I dislike riding behind lights, but my point was that seeing lights on a bike isn't a clue that the rider is slow. High viz clothing, which I have no issue with, is a clue that the rider isn't going to be going fast.

That being said, I cannot help but wonder if that cyclist on Canada road, Lester, who got smashed by a car right after that hill before the water temple was using a light and if it could have made a difference if he did. Hate victim blaming questions like this, especially as someone who often goes sans helmet, but yeah its been on my mind recently.
Canada Rd SHOULD BE the place a light is LEAST necessary. It's wide as all hell, not only wide traffic lanes but wide bike lanes as well. It's got fantastic sight lines, too. There should be NO REASON a drive doesn't see a cyclist hundreds of yards ahead. To me, the driver being a 22 year old guy, with a 21 year old passenger, driving an Acura suggests a flashie wouldn't make any difference.
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Originally Posted by big john
I was at the bottom of the climb to Mosquito Flats, I think it's Rock Creek road. A friend who raced as a climbing specialist was riding around me as I was getting ready.

Someone said "Hey John she's riding circles around you just like she does on the road". It was the truth. I did make it to the top, though.
im picturing someone riding up a hill with someone else also climbing but circling them as they climb.
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Originally Posted by LarrySellerz
im picturing someone riding up a hill with someone else also climbing but circling them as they climb.
She might have been able to do it. At least for a little while.
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Originally Posted by big john
She might have been able to do it. At least for a little while.
Just to crush your soul?
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Originally Posted by big john
I was at the bottom of the climb to Mosquito Flats, I think it's Rock Creek road.
Yep, that's the one, Rock Creek Rd. A nice, steady, and not-too-steep climb from Tom's Place up to Mosquito Flats. It's also the closest climb from Mammoth Lakes.

Very pretty in the Fall:



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Just to crush your soul?
Yes, you know how those climbers are.
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Originally Posted by terrymorse
Yep, that's the one, Rock Creek Rd. A nice, steady, and not-too-steep climb from Tom's Place up to Mosquito Flats. It's also the closest climb from Mammoth Lakes.

Very pretty in the Fall:
Photo by Terry, Rider: Sue Kayser
Yeah, I wouldn't mind doing it again. It wasn't as hard as most of the climbs over there. We had gone to Lake Sabrina, South Lake, and North lake the day before. The climb to Sabrina was harder than Rock Creek.
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Originally Posted by CAT7RDR
^^^^^^^^
Highest paved road in California at over 10K feet.
Was up there on a ride in 2019.
By far the most majestic ride I've been on.
I had to look closely at it. At first glance, it looks and sounds like the climb from Twin Lakes to Independence Pass at over 12K. The absence of sage was the difference. This was the most majestic ride I had ever been on too.



I was about 3 bends from the top and could see the sign that marks the peak. I was feeling pretty good about myself when I heard the sound of a bicycle coming up behind me. Soon, a woman who appeared to be in her sixties blew past me. She didn't see me, but I saluted her...the good kind of salute.



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I really like that Independence Pass ride, from both sides.

If you start early from Aspen, you miss most of the car traffic. Grab something to eat at the Twin Lakes shop (they had the biggest sticky buns I'd ever seen), then back to Aspen in time for lunch. Beautiful ride.

There's also a ghost town on the Aspen side, named Independence. Several decaying shacks scattered throughout a green meadow.








Darnit now I want to go back there!
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Originally Posted by terrymorse
I really like that Independence Pass ride, from both sides.

If you start early from Aspen, you miss most of the car traffic. Grab something to eat at the Twin Lakes shop (they had the biggest sticky buns I’d ever seen), then back to Aspen in time for lunch. Beautiful ride.

Darnit now I want to go back there!
I have never done the climb from Aspen, but have read that it's substantially more difficult. The descent into Aspen was a hoot. I had cars holding me up and even passed a few.

Anecdote here. There are a few houses on the north side of the highway after you pedal out of Twin Lakes. One of those was flying an LSU flag. I did the ride in 2012. A few years ago I was at the dog park here in the NOLA area and chatting with a woman. Shen mentioned hiking in Colorado. I asked her where she liked to hike. She mentioned Mt Elbert. I told her that I had never hiked it but had seen it on my pedal up Independence Pass. She told me that her parents owned a house in Twin Lakes. That's when I mentioned the flag I had seen. It was her parents.

What the hell is wrong with me for hijacking my own thread? This thread was supposed to be about facetiousness.

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What the hell is wrong with me for hijacking my own thread? This thread was supposed to be about facetiousness.
Sometimes hijacking is the best part of a thread.
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Originally Posted by big john
Yeah, I wouldn't mind doing it again. It wasn't as hard as most of the climbs over there. We had gone to Lake Sabrina, South Lake, and North lake the day before. The climb to Sabrina was harder than Rock Creek.
Oh yeah, South Lake and Sabrina are definitely tougher than Rock Creek.

The last bit of South Lake gets up to ~15%. South Lake was the final climb of Everest Challenge day 1. Just what you want to see at the end a tough climbing race day. I passed several riders on that section; they were all in a "state of bother".

I think an Easter Sierra road trip is in order, once those roads open up.

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I have never done the climb from Aspen, but have read that it's substantially more difficult.
I don't know, both sides feel about the same to me. The Aspen climb is longer, though.

The last few turns on the Twin Lakes climb are pretty stunning. Big views in open terrain, a gradual grade so you can let it rip. It feels like some of the summits of the French Alps.
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Oh yeah, South Lake and Sabrina are definitely tougher than Rock Creek.

The last bit of South Lake gets up to ~15%. South Lake was the final climb of Everest Challenge day 1. Just what you want to see at the end a tough climbing race day. I passed several riders on that section; they were all in a "state of bother".

I think an Easter Sierra road trip is in order, once those roads open up.
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For me the hardest climb was in the White Mountains going to the Ancient Forest. I think that's 10K at the end of the pavement, where I turned around, and 14K at the end of the dirt road climb. The climb to Sabrina is spectacular though. My friend Dave:
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You with your asphalt colored helmet, asphalt colored hair, asphalt colored neck beard, asphalt colored jersey, asphalt colored shorts, asphalt colored socks, asphalt colored shoes, asphalt colored bike with your 30 dollar Amazon bought DaySun brand 5000 lumen light directed level out across the dedicated bike path. No sir, no wave for you. I won't even look toward you. Out of necessity, I have to look away. You are probably the kind of mouth-breathing, skinny jean wearing, latte drinking nerd who rejoices in the "at least they see me" mindset, never considering that you'd loathe someone who drove around with the high beams continuously burning in their lifted Chevy pick up truck with the same twisted philosophy.

Maybe, drop the luminous intensity down by a few thousand lumens and angle the light down, rather than directly at eye level. It's a bike path with no motor vehicles for God's sake, maybe even consider that you don't need light at all. That or perhaps instead of dressing in 100% asphalt colored garb, throw a bit of bright coloring into the mix. Maybe?

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I think my efforts to "raise awareness" of the effects of blinding lights, displayed in broad daylight, on bike paths, by riders dressed in asphalt colors, may be having a positive impact. For the first time in quite some time, I encountered no riders from team Preparation H.
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