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It was theoretically fashionable to have your cockpit be of one brand. So some definitions of cockpit be seatpost/saddle/stem and bars. Ie. every tubed item that isn't the frame. Now most stuff is always the same brand as the bike, as the manufacturers figured out they were giving away money to other companies that they didn't have to.
Personally, I think of the seatpost, stem and bars as the cockpit. Anything that you adjust for a bike fit. So the saddle.. not really. Also because the saddle is so often swapped out for whatever works best for your butt |
Originally Posted by alcjphil
(Post 23109066)
It is a term that I abhor when applied to bicycles. It refers to the relationship between the bicycle saddle and handlebars along with their position above the pedals. I hate it. Fighter airplanes have an actual cockpit. It is an enclosed space where the pilot situates themself in order to fly the aircraft. Using this term to talk about fitting a bicycle to its user seems absurd to me
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Originally Posted by alcjphil
(Post 23109066)
It is a term that I abhor when applied to bicycles.
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Originally Posted by PeteHski
(Post 23109076)
All aeroplanes have a cockpit, not just fighter planes.
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Originally Posted by Steve B.
(Post 23109042)
I worked 50 years in theater. The box office was never referred to as the cockpit.
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Originally Posted by Sy Reene
(Post 23109084)
and boats.. which is the vessel type that the term evidently originated
Cockpit is also used for the driving seat and controls in single-seater racing cars. |
Originally Posted by PeteHski
(Post 23109076)
All aeroplanes have a cockpit, not just fighter planes.
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Originally Posted by alcjphil
(Post 23109124)
Good answer, but my point is still that a cockpit is an enclosed space, not something that should apply to a bicycle
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Originally Posted by CrimsonEclipse
(Post 23109087)
Not with THAT attitude!
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Originally Posted by tomato coupe
(Post 23109128)
Not all airplane cockpits are enclosed.
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Originally Posted by CrimsonEclipse
(Post 23109087)
Not with THAT attitude!
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Originally Posted by wheelreason
(Post 23109163)
Good point Snoopy...
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Originally Posted by PeteHski
(Post 23109076)
All aeroplanes have a cockpit, not just fighter planes.
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The important question is, do endurance bikes have cockpits?
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Originally Posted by tomato coupe
(Post 23109176)
The important question is, do endurance bikes have cockpits?
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Good one! Not everyone may get it...
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Originally Posted by smd4
(Post 23109058)
It’s one of those dopey cyclist terms like “brifter” which should be stricken from the lexicon.
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Originally Posted by VegasJen
(Post 23109190)
As long as you want to get into that topic, I think we should change the term "clip on" aero bars. Maybe back in the day, but I have yet to see any that were anything other than a clamp on or bolt on fit. Same for clipless pedals. I understand the history, but it's just that, history. You either ride flats or clip pedals. Just my $0.02.
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I think you see lots of cocktails in the cockpit.
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Originally Posted by big john
(Post 23109239)
Clip ons comes from motorcycling. Pedals can be flats, clips and straps, or clipless.
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Originally Posted by VegasJen
(Post 23109277)
So, in other words, history.
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Originally Posted by VegasJen
(Post 23109011)
What I am gathering, and a definition that makes sense to me, is the points of the bicycle in which any part of the cyclist not directly associated with power production rests. So, I'm leaning towards anything "butt and up". Of course, you could then argue about including the seat when standing up and mashing, but that's not exactly normal cycling position.
Originally Posted by Steve B.
(Post 23109015)
Cockpit on a plane is the most common use of the term and refers to where the crew directs where an airplane is headed. Stands to reason using that same term on a bike refers to where the cyclist directs where the bicycle is headed. Handle bar in other words,
Control area .... make of it what you will. |
I never really thought about it in detail until you asked. I would say it has to include the parts of the bike that you make tactile contact with, as if I take an airplane or racing automobile as a blueprint, it would have to include not only the hands, but the butt and feet. Bar, saddle and the pedals, and the positioning of such. Myself I would include the "angle of view" of the riders positioning/orientation to the horizon, as that has a great influence on what parts you'd consider in the first place.. You know, you can have a tall upright cockpit if you're sitting up with high swept back bars, a very streamlined one in a long low aero position on drop or TT bars. Yes this a more broad way of looking at it, but that's how I see it, the bike and rider and ride are "one whole unit" so to speak. A bike ride needs a bike and a rider, neither of themselves can do that without the other. Everything works like a symphony, while everyone and their instruments plays their the individual notes, the Music itself is one whole symphonic melody, one whole "ride" if you will. That "ride" includes everything, the bike, rider and all surroundings. The infinitesimal and the infinite are indivisible, all-inclusive and non-exclusive.
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Several manufacturers use the term "cockpit" to refer strictly to the handlebar/stem arrangement. Saddles not involved, to say nothing of pedals.
Which makes sense: "cockpit" is a useful catchall term for a manufacturer's various one-piece and two-piece handlebar/stem SKUs. In fact, I would guess that the use of the term "cockpit" (referring exclusively to handlebars plus stems) originated with bike or component manufacturers. But, interestingly, Canyon seems to make a distinction between one-piece ("cockpit") and two-piece examples. |
To quote Google "The cockpit components include all the contact points between rider and bike - handlebars, saddle and pedals. Also in this category are the other essential parts including headsets and seatposts."
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