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What is the "cockpit"?
I've heard this term used a few times in reference to bikes but I don't know the definition in relation to cycling. I get the cockpit of an airplane or a race car, but not sure what it means in the cycling context. Can someone explain? And what parts are and are not within the "cockpit"?
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It's a really cheezy bar in Aukland, New Zealand, where bike riders get free drinks, and a lot of attention from people of dubious morals who possibly practice a very ancient profession will pay a lot of attention to your comfort .... wear a helmet, if yo get my meaning.
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You will probably get a lot of opinions on this, but I am of the camp that believes that the saddle, seatpost, stem, and handlebar/tape/grips comprise the cockpit of a bicycle. I am on the fence about pedals; some classify them as a drive train component and some put them into the cockpit group.
John |
Originally Posted by jolly_codger
(Post 23108971)
You will probably get a lot of opinions on this,
But I consider it more or less the handlebars and anything attached to them. |
Handlebar and everything attached. Not the seat or post, or crank or pedals.
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Cockpit only relates to cyclists who have way too much electronic crap strapped to their handlebars and their bikes and on themselves.
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Originally Posted by jolly_codger
(Post 23108971)
You will probably get a lot of opinions on this, but I am of the camp that believes that the saddle, seatpost, stem, and handlebar/tape/grips comprise the cockpit of a bicycle. I am on the fence about pedals; some classify them as a drive train component and some put them into the cockpit group.
John |
Originally Posted by Steve B.
(Post 23108981)
Handlebar and everything attached. Not the seat or post, or crank or pedals.
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Originally Posted by wolfchild
(Post 23108988)
Cockpit only relates to cyclists who have way too much electronic crap strapped to their handlebars and their bikes and on themselves.
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Originally Posted by VegasJen
(Post 23108991)
OK, so as I take your description, it's basically a triangle that extends from the farthest back portion of the seat forward to either and across the hoods. Sound about right?
John |
Originally Posted by jolly_codger
(Post 23108971)
You will probably get a lot of opinions on this, but I am of the camp that believes that the saddle, seatpost, stem, and handlebar/tape/grips comprise the cockpit of a bicycle. I am on the fence about pedals; some classify them as a drive train component and some put them into the cockpit group.
John |
Originally Posted by jolly_codger
(Post 23109000)
I'd say that it's the contact points & associated appurtenances.
John This gives us a little more complex geometry, depending on the configuration. For instance, it would produce a more diamond shape in the case of a TT bike (or road bike on which aero bars have been fitted) where the brake levers are positioned at the outer most of bull horn type bars, but aero bars with shifters protrude notably farther forward. Fair? |
Originally Posted by Eric F
(Post 23109005)
Hmm…I’ve never understood that the saddle was included. The context I’ve always heard has been handlebars and anything attached.
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Cockpit on a plane is the most common use of the term and refers to where the crew directs where an airplane is headed. Stands to reason using that same term on a bike refers to where the cyclist directs where the bicycle is headed. Handle bar in other words,
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Originally Posted by Steve B.
(Post 23109015)
Cockpit on a plane is the most common use of the term and refers to where the crew directs where an airplane is headed. Stands to reason using that same term on a bike refers to where the cyclist directs where the bicycle is headed. Handle bar in other words,
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It's not a standardized, official, or regulated term, so it can mean whatever you want it to mean.
It can also be referred to as a "box office" (all inclusive) |
The only time I've heard "cockpit" used in a bicycle context is the advice to "protect your cockpit", which means to protect your bars from getting bumped or hooked when riding in close quarters with other riders.
In that context, cockpit = handlebars. |
I don't think "cockpit" had been formally defined, but I consider it stem, bars, brake levers, everything clamped onto the stem and grips/bar tape. Like everything in front of a pilot's seat. Yes, the aircraft and race car folk consider the cockpit to be the full enclosure between the firewall behind and the windshield, but hey, we're cyclists and what do they know? :)
I have a bike with two cockpits. All of that including the brake cables and housings. (It's a fix gear so no shift cables.) I can loosen a couple of nuts and swap cockpits in 5 minutes, turning it into an entirely different bike. Cockpit is a relatively new term in bicycling. I had to travel to an airport or the race track in Limerock, Conn. to find a cockpit in my racing days. (Formula race cars. An uncle of mine used to race them.) |
Originally Posted by CrimsonEclipse
(Post 23109032)
It's not a standardized, official, or regulated term, so it can mean whatever you want it to mean.
It can also be referred to as a "box office" (all inclusive) |
I think of saddle (maybe post) stem, bars, and all the stuff on the bars you interact with.
Not the pedals for whatever reason. Maybe cockpit is more of an MTB thing? I’ve heard/read people refer to a cockpit feeling roomy or cramped when describing saddle to bar distance, thus the inclusion of the saddle. But like someone else said, its not a well-defined or ubiquitous term. |
It’s not a formal term. I always took it to be a reference to the stem, bars, levers and grips on a mountain bike.
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Originally Posted by terrymorse
(Post 23109038)
The only time I've heard "cockpit" used in a bicycle context is the advice to "protect your cockpit", which means to protect your bars from getting bumped or hooked when riding in close quarters with other riders.
In that context, cockpit = handlebars. |
It’s one of those dopey cyclist terms like “brifter” which should be stricken from the lexicon.
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It is a term that I abhor when applied to bicycles. It refers to the relationship between the bicycle saddle and handlebars along with their position above the pedals. I hate it. Fighter airplanes have an actual cockpit. It is an enclosed space where the pilot situates themself in order to fly the aircraft. Using this term to talk about fitting a bicycle to its user seems absurd to me
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That's what she said.
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