Upright Cycles Infinitely!

True. It could look like F1 with 2million dollar bikes that weigh 2 pounds.

That is simply incorrect, cutting edge components go on any frame.

lots of production titanium, aluminum and steel (all metal framed) bikes out there with disc, electronic shifting etc

that is not even taking into account custom frames (I ride a custom steel with R8000....that was a choice I could have gone disc and di2)

Ten years ago Trek made a production 10.25 pound bike. So the weight rule seems a bit arbitrary...

The notion of a pack of 'bents in a sprint, climbing the Alps or circling the Champs is amusing.

You say that like it would be a bad thing.

A 1920's car you could repair with a hammer, screwdriver, and crescent wrench, 2020 not so much

And you had to repair them often. Sometimes every other weekend. I'd even say the cars of the 50's and 60's had us doing lots of DIY often or taking them to the shop often.

A couple of things spring to mind that I would take great pleasure in repairing with a hammer and a screwdriver

I really thought this was going to be about those hideous helmets, entertaining nonetheless, didn't know Louis XVI "headed" the UCI...

Yeah, car development has gone massively downhill over the last century. Or has it?

Especially true for crash survivability. Rotten crumple zones, tempered glass, automatic emergency braking and air bags. Must be satan’s spawn. 👹

It really is a rules-of-the-game issue. Look at UCI cyclocross. That is an entire category of bike that exists solely because of arbitrary rules-of-the-game. 33mm tires? But (some) people love the game made by the rules.

If you don't like the rules, start a company that runs gravel or endurance races.

...spoken like someone who has never had to diagnose a non obvious networking problem in one of the current models.

I wonder. If there had been internet car forums back in the 1920s, would there have been Retro Grouches complaining about hydraulic brakes? "I've never had a problem with rod-operated brakes! It's a solution to a non-existent problem!"

Yeah. Henry Ford.

That’s right. Not my job or problem. Only buying stuff that you can fix yourself with a hammer, wrench and screwdriver would be pretty limiting.

But very satisfying.

That depends on the intended use and functionality. In my use case a 1920s car would be extremely frustrating on every functional level. Being able to fix it with a few simple tools would be of no consolation.

He had other beliefs that would align him with too much of Social Media....

I owned an MGB when I was younger. Perfect example of "able to fix it with a few simple tools". The problem was how often I had to deploy them.

My current car is 10 years old, and in 130,000 miles has never failed me. It goes in for service once a year. It doesn't even need oil added over that year. I can rely on it to get me wherever I want to go without carrying a toolkit with me.

I still sometimes have a nostalgic pang for my MGB, but I think all I'd need to do would be to drive one for a few miles, and that would go away.

...yeah. There's no middle ground here. Apologies, I momentarily forgot which forum I was posting in.

...in the 1920's, I'm pretty sure the retro grouches would have still been praising horses. Cheaper to buy and you can run them on hay from the back 40. Try that with your Hupmobile, buddy.

I think it also depends on if you like to tinker with things. I enjoy working on all aspects of my bike, luckily.

i every once in a while think about getting a MG/Triumph or similar....then i think 1) how would i like being divorced 2)how much less time I would have for cycling and 3) Why to the Brits drink warm beer........Lucas makes refrigerators also (or Lucas Prince of darkness) and 4) it would look like a clown car with me in it

BMW much?.... "Oh, I have codes for you, but first you must answer 3 questions".....