Aging alloy frames
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"Yes, some metals can soften over time, but it depends on the type of metal and how it's treated:
Precipitation-hardening alloys
- These alloys, which include aluminum, magnesium, titanium, and nickel, can soften when quenched and then harden over time. This process is often called "aging".
- Cooling rate
The rate at which a metal is cooled after being heated can affect its final properties. Slower cooling can result in a softer, more ductile metal. - Heat treatment
Heat treating metals can alter their physical and chemical properties. For example, diode lasers can be used to soften hardened steel by exposing it to heat and then slowly cooling it. - Metal fatigue
When a metal is exposed to repeated stress or strain, it can weaken or break down over time.
The aging temperature for metal is usually between 700 and 900 degrees Fahrenheit, and depends on the type of metal and the amount of oxygen in the air."
But there's apparently no such thing as softening, whether of aluminum or any other metal, after the heat treatment aging process has finished. The closest metal gets to appearing to soften is localized hardening, which can result in concentrating stresses in adjacent areas of the metal that have not changed in hardness.
Anyone who has ever broken a paper clip by flexing it repeatedly has seen that happen. It looks as if the metal has softened, but it has actually hardened.
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But modern aluminum frame design (by "modern" I mean aluminum frames such as those designed by U.S. engineers in the 1970's and 1980's, including the original Klein and Cannondale designs) uses the properties of aluminum to ensure extremely long frame life.
On the off-chance that you haven't seen this report before, here are some results of fatigue testing of steel, titanium, aluminum, and carbon frames. (Short version: all the steel and titanium frames failed; two aluminum frames and one carbon frame survived. The testers pointed out that the failures of the steel and titanium frames resulted from insufficiently careful QC and/or the use of designs that left too small a margin of strength for the application.)
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If I didn't have so many other expensive hobbies (cycling, xc/alpine skiing, snowboarding, backpacking ...) I probably would have added that one. I didn't
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I've used mine for commuting, and for many years it was my only bike, so lots of road miles and the occasional foray on trails or gravel roads. No loaded touring, though.
If I didn't have so many other expensive hobbies (cycling, xc/alpine skiing, snowboarding, backpacking ...) I probably would have added that one. I didn'thave the money choose to spend the required money/time on developing that hobby at the time. Though, with backpacking, I already had most of the gear, other than panniers. Oh well, you can't have all of the experiences in life.
If I didn't have so many other expensive hobbies (cycling, xc/alpine skiing, snowboarding, backpacking ...) I probably would have added that one. I didn't
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Correction: if you sense that your metal frame has gotten soft, that's because it has cracked somewhere and is likely to fail very soon.
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As I recall, brifters were not yet offered in '95 - I think that the R, ummm, R300? R400? still had downtube shifters, though indexed - which seemed to me to be odd and newfangled at the time.
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In the spring of '95, my T700 was $800 (Narragansett Bikes - they're still around, though in a new location, and haven't dealt in Cannondales in probably 15 years or more). It had (still has - lives in my basement as my back-up bike) bar-end shifters, as you note. Originally, the front shifter was set up friction, and the rear was index. Eventually, I just went friction for both, especially when I switched from the original 7sp cassette (with spacer) to an 8sp cassette. It would have been funny to watch me try to install the first 8sp cassette, since I wasn't aware of the spacer on the hub body (hey, I'm not a bike mechanic, I only ever worked on my own bikes). Eventually my LBS pointed out the spacer (and kindly didn't laugh at me). I'm not sure why the bike had a 7sp cassette on a hub body that accommodated an 8sp. I didn't miss the extra gear, I only went to the 8sp when the 7sp became more difficult to find and when the 8sp was the practically same price as the 7sp anyway...
As I recall, brifters were not yet offered in '95 - I think that the R, ummm, R300? R400? still had downtube shifters, though indexed - which seemed to me to be odd and newfangled at the time.
As I recall, brifters were not yet offered in '95 - I think that the R, ummm, R300? R400? still had downtube shifters, though indexed - which seemed to me to be odd and newfangled at the time.
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In the spring of '95, my T700 was $800 (Narragansett Bikes - they're still around, though in a new location, and haven't dealt in Cannondales in probably 15 years or more). It had (still has - lives in my basement as my back-up bike) bar-end shifters, as you note. Originally, the front shifter was set up friction, and the rear was index. Eventually, I just went friction for both, especially when I switched from the original 7sp cassette (with spacer) to an 8sp cassette. It would have been funny to watch me try to install the first 8sp cassette, since I wasn't aware of the spacer on the hub body (hey, I'm not a bike mechanic, I only ever worked on my own bikes). Eventually my LBS pointed out the spacer (and kindly didn't laugh at me). I'm not sure why the bike had a 7sp cassette on a hub body that accommodated an 8sp. I didn't miss the extra gear, I only went to the 8sp when the 7sp became more difficult to find and when the 8sp was the practically same price as the 7sp anyway...
As I recall, brifters were not yet offered in '95 - I think that the R, ummm, R300? R400? still had downtube shifters, though indexed - which seemed to me to be odd and newfangled at the time.
As I recall, brifters were not yet offered in '95 - I think that the R, ummm, R300? R400? still had downtube shifters, though indexed - which seemed to me to be odd and newfangled at the time.
Touring bikes always seem to be the last to receive any newfangled technology, opting to stick with simpler tried and true tech. This is probably because the touring crowd is leery of anything too complicated that might break easily and/or can't be fixed easily in the middle of nowhere or in a third world country. Most of Cannondale's touring bikes kept downtube/bar end shifters until the end of the 90's.
I have a 1990 ST600, in fantastic condition I might add, that came new with 27-in. rims. Road bikes had all moved to the 700c standard at this point but because it was a touring bike, Cannondale was sticking with the old standard. I believe it even states in the original catalog that they went with 27-in wheels because replacement tires and rims could be found more readily in small towns. Probably true in 1990 but it sure doesn't help me now, which is why I converted it to 700c.
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I have a 1995 Cannondale T700 (alloy, steel fork). That's a touring bike.
I did not measure the "stiffness" when I bought it, so there's no way to tell if there's been "any significant loss of stiffness ... over time" (29+ years > 50,0000 miles). And I can't go by feel because, of course, any changes would be so gradual as to be imperceptible, and would probably be swamped by other factors in any case (I'm on my third set of wheels on the bike, and I've used different tires, different widths of tires, different saddles, replaced the crank, etc.).
Your question is ridiculous. Sorry. If you want a new bike, you'll have to find another excuse.
I did not measure the "stiffness" when I bought it, so there's no way to tell if there's been "any significant loss of stiffness ... over time" (29+ years > 50,0000 miles). And I can't go by feel because, of course, any changes would be so gradual as to be imperceptible, and would probably be swamped by other factors in any case (I'm on my third set of wheels on the bike, and I've used different tires, different widths of tires, different saddles, replaced the crank, etc.).
Your question is ridiculous. Sorry. If you want a new bike, you'll have to find another excuse.
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