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Old 05-22-26 | 09:50 AM
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A lollipop route because it sucks?
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Old 05-22-26 | 12:51 PM
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RWGPS won’t like lets me cross a road where I want instead of going far to a light ...
Other children rely on crossing guards for this.
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Old 05-22-26 | 02:59 PM
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I agree. I never understood planning a route with any kind of electronic device and app. I just go. Most of my rides are repetitive, others are new that I have previously driven for some reason or other, and still others are just roads that I ride for the first time.
This is a "you" problem. While it's fine not to plan routes, you "not understanding" something would be a silly reason for people not to do that something.

It should easy to understand why people might choose doing this (whether or not you happen to find a need for it). Why do you even care that people do this?

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... have a dismissive edge to them when all you need to do is to reply courteously....
Suggesting that you (some random dude on the internet) "not understanding" something is a reason for anybody not to do something fairly normal is quite dismissive. You should probably heed your own advice before complaining about other people.

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A lollipop route because it sucks?
I see what you did there.
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Old 05-22-26 | 03:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Koyote
To hopefully be more constructive, I do agree that the ‘beep’ tones are too quiet - between wind and road noise and my diminished hearing, I don’t hear them either. Though I would stop short of calling it a design defect, as my younger riding companions often DO hear my Garmin’s alerts.
It's easy enough to miss the cues. I generally keep an eye on the map. That way, I typically know about turns before any special prompts and recover from missed turns. (It does take some experience to do this well but it's not hard.)

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Old 05-22-26 | 03:27 PM
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Originally Posted by indyfabz
I still make paper cue sheets for touring in unfamiliar areas after using things like RWGPS to help lan the routes.
The nice thing about GPS is they make cue sheets unnecessary and they work better too. If you can follow the route line on the device map, you can see turns ahead of time and recover from missed turns. And you don't have to look for street signs (which might not even exist). Cue sheets typically require the use of a cycle computer (so they don't keep you from using "technology").

People can do what they like but you aren't getting much for the extra effort of creating cue sheets. Lots of people manage to use GPS devices without cue sheets.

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I use the phone for things like on the fly detours. I like not having to deal with the phone, and not having to use it lengthens battery life. That's critical in cases where I maight not have access to power for a couple of days.
The phone is a cheap backup even if you prefer not to use it.

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RWGPS sometimes does funky stuff when I make maps. Sometimes I have to add points every inch or even half inch to keep it from taking some round about route. Drives me crazy.
Some of this "funky stuff" might be due to missing map data. Note that RWGPS lets you use different maps (for routing) and you can flip between them. The newer Garmins come with maps based on Openstreetmap (OSM) data. If "you" are using OSM maps on your device, it might make sense to choose OSM in RWGPS.

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A couple of times I have mapped multi-day routes assuming it would "do the right thing". Then I looked at the entire route when finished only to see that it took some odd "detours."
"Assuming it would do the right thing" and not looking at the route is really a case of "not using the tool carefully".

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It's easy enough to miss the cues. I generally keep an eye on the map. That way, I typically know about turns before any special prompts and recover from missed turns. (It does take some experience to do this well but it's not hard.)
Yeah, that's what I do, too.

Your reply reminded me that I had responded in this thread back when it was fresh...I think that was back when we thought Mikey D might be redeemable.
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Old 05-22-26 | 04:35 PM
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Originally Posted by john m flores

Not sure why AI chose this short detour.
It's not "AI choosing" it.

RWGPS, using Google's routing for cycling, chooses that detour.

If you selecting routing for cars, the expected route is chosen.

If you use OSM maps, the expected route is chosen.

I think the issue is that Google marks the avoided segment as "not favoring" bicycling (for some reason).


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Originally Posted by Koyote
Yeah, that's what I do, too.
Quite a few people think they can just rely on the prompts. This doesn't work well enough (especially, for cycling).

They would be better served if they learned how to keep an eye on the map. This is the "secret" that people having trouble using devices should learn. To get this to be routine, it's not a bad idea to use the device when you don't need it.

(If you blow a turn, it's not generally not that big a deal recovering. If you are going downhill, paying attention to upcoming turns is more important).

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Your reply reminded me that I had responded in this thread back when it was fresh...I think that was back when we thought Mikey D might be redeemable.
A simpler, more innocent time.

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Old 05-22-26 | 04:53 PM
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Lollipop route is pretty standard here. There's only so many ways in and out of our neighbourhood. Not a fan of out-and-backs, and my AI route planner avoids plotting these and will put me on low traffic streets and in different res areas to shake things up. Much better that RWGPS overall.
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Originally Posted by terrymorse
Why did I miss the turns? Because the Garmin 840's little audio alert is way too quiet to hear over the wind noise and road buzz. Garmin need either a louder tone, or maybe some haptic poke device. Apple Watch does this for their turn cues. If the Garmin could get the Apple Watch to buzz, that would be cool.
You can also have the Garmin announce the turns through your phone. You could use bone-conducting headphones to hear them.
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Old 05-22-26 | 05:03 PM
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You can also have the Garmin announce the turns through your phone. You could use bone-conducting headphones to hear them.
Yes, thanks. That's what I'm using now: voice turn alerts in my Shokz headphone.
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Originally Posted by njkayaker
The nice thing about GPS is they make cue sheets unnecessary and they work better too. If you can follow the route line on the device map, you can see turns ahead of time and recover from missed turns. And you don't have to look for street signs (which might not even exist). Cue sheets typically require the use of a cycle computer (so they don't keep you from using "technology").

People can do what they like but you aren't getting much for the extra effort of creating cue sheets. Lots of people manage to use GPS devices without cue sheets.


The phone is a cheap backup even if you prefer not to use it.


Some of this "funky stuff" might be due to missing map data. Note that RWGPS lets you use different maps (for routing) and you can flip between them. The newer Garmins come with maps based on Openstreetmap (OSM) data. If "you" are using OSM maps on your device, it might make sense to choose OSM in RWGPS.


"Assuming it would do the right thing" and not looking at the route is really a case of "not using the tool carefully".
Again…Power is sometimes an issue. And making cue sheets helps me visualize the route ahead of time. That’s how my mind remembers things better. And it doesn’t really take much effort. Cue sheets also give me an excuse to sometimes stop for a breather.

When I rode across the country and then some using ACA maps, got off route a grand total of 4 times in nearly 6,000 miles. (The final 150 were part of a charity event with marked roads.). I do what works best for me, and I have more than a little experience in the area.
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Again…Power is sometimes an issue.
Sure (in somewhat extreme cases).

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And making cue sheets helps me visualize the route ahead of time. That’s how my mind remembers things better. And it doesn’t really take much effort.
Lots of people can visualize the route without cue sheets. While it works for you, people won’t necessarily need to do the same thing.

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When I rode across the country and then some using ACA maps, got off route a grand total of 4 times in nearly 6,000 miles. (The final 150 were part of a charity event with marked roads.). I do what works best for me, and I have more than a little experience in the area.
GPS wasn’t an option. I’m not surprised you have lots of experience with them. Lots of people did fairly well with them. Some people might even like the challenge.

People are free to do whatever they like. Who knows whether that is actually what was “better for you”. (People only care about what could be best for them anyway.)

I used to use cue sheets for long distance riding but went to using GPS exclusively. “For me”, the GPS worked better. But that isn’t anything that anybody should be interested in.

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Old 05-22-26 | 11:38 PM
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Seldom use route maps but do export them occasionally from Strava to Garmin. What is cool is seeing the percentage grades coming up on a climb so knowing how much effort to put in and when. I’m not keen on out and backs and try to avoid them, but sometimes ya just have to put up with them to get in the miles, or intervals or whatever. Probably have done one out and back over 100 times but it is what it is and I don’t whine about it.
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