View Poll Results: WHich group of cyclists is the most bizarre to you?
Road Cyclists.
27
20.30%
Winter Cyclists
7
5.26%
Mountain Bikers
3
2.26%
Commuters
4
3.01%
BMX Riders
17
12.78%
Recreational, Comfort Bike Riders
4
3.01%
Cyclocross Riders
3
2.26%
Recumbent Riders
18
13.53%
Touring Cyclists
2
1.50%
SS/FG
20
15.04%
The "advocates"
28
21.05%
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Which Group on These Forums is Most Bewildering?
10-08-05 | 07:19 AM
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Originally Posted by cyccommute
The one group I have the most trouble with is the mountain bike group. Most of the people over there are way to involved in riding big BMX bikes and talking about hucking, doing drops and other extreme stuff. It scares away more people than it appeals to. About 10% of all riders are interested in that stuff but it seems to take up 90% of the band width. We need more about ridin' and less about flyin'!
I just like riding but I do have trouble with the whole snob/roadie thing.
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10-08-05 | 09:25 AM
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Originally Posted by MERTON
where the crap is the fixie option?
a bunch of young dudes with an odd sense of style that ride around on primitive type cycling gear.... how the crap can anyone be more bizarre?
a bunch of young dudes with an odd sense of style that ride around on primitive type cycling gear.... how the crap can anyone be more bizarre?
The one group I have the most trouble with is the mountain bike group. Most of the people over there are way to involved in riding big BMX bikes and talking about hucking, doing drops and other extreme stuff. It scares away more people than it appeals to. About 10% of all riders are interested in that stuff but it seems to take up 90% of the band width. We need more about ridin' and less about flyin'!
While I don't disagree, I never understand why it scares people. One topic (posing in roadies and hucking in mtb) shouldn't be enough to scare away people. Are people that weak that they can't post other things. Besides I think you are over exaggerating. There are only a few of us dhiller in there now. Most have retired to dh/fr specific sites.Nows its questions about which bike to buy and what kind of fork to run haha
10-08-05 | 02:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Maelstrom
While I don't disagree, I never understand why it scares people. One topic (posing in roadies and hucking in mtb) shouldn't be enough to scare away people. Are people that weak that they can't post other things. Besides I think you are over exaggerating. There are only a few of us dhiller in there now. Most have retired to dh/fr specific sites.Nows its questions about which bike to buy and what kind of fork to run haha
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10-08-05 | 02:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Maelstrom
While I don't disagree, I never understand why it scares people. One topic (posing in roadies and hucking in mtb) shouldn't be enough to scare away people. Are people that weak that they can't post other things. Besides I think you are over exaggerating. There are only a few of us dhiller in there now. Most have retired to dh/fr specific sites.Nows its questions about which bike to buy and what kind of fork to run haha
10-08-05 | 02:35 PM
#32
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Originally Posted by halfspeed
It's not scary, it's just =tiresome=. And at least in the road forums it leads to all kinds of bad advice leading to inappropriate setup, sizing, and equipment selection.
10-08-05 | 02:40 PM
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You forgot "folders." 
I can identify with all of the sub-groups having participated in a lot of these activities but I really have no idea why more people don't have a folding bike on their sometimes-long list of bikes - especially when I hear issues like "theft" and "no secure storage area" come up. BRING THE THING INSIDE WITH YOU!!!
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Thank you.
I can identify with all of the sub-groups having participated in a lot of these activities but I really have no idea why more people don't have a folding bike on their sometimes-long list of bikes - especially when I hear issues like "theft" and "no secure storage area" come up. BRING THE THING INSIDE WITH YOU!!!
</rant>
Thank you.
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10-08-05 | 02:46 PM
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Originally Posted by halfspeed
It's not scary, it's just =tiresome=. And at least in the road forums it leads to all kinds of bad advice leading to inappropriate setup, sizing, and equipment selection.
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Not a mention of a huck or drop. Geez, we must be slacking off.
10-08-05 | 03:20 PM
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I voted for winter cyclists because we are bizarre.
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10-08-05 | 04:55 PM
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Can I change my vote to the 'advocates' - I swear there's aliens afoot in them thar threads.
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10-08-05 | 06:04 PM
#37
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Originally Posted by jeff williams
Not a mention of a huck or drop. Geez, we must be slacking off.
We must do better, whats wrong with all of us.
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10-08-05 | 06:31 PM
#38
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Originally Posted by Maelstrom
While I don't disagree, I never understand why it scares people. One topic (posing in roadies and hucking in mtb) shouldn't be enough to scare away people. Are people that weak that they can't post other things. Besides I think you are over exaggerating. There are only a few of us dhiller in there now. Most have retired to dh/fr specific sites.Nows its questions about which bike to buy and what kind of fork to run haha
For example there was a recent series of post on pictures of your favorite rides. Nearly every one of the pictures provided was of things that people with families and mortgages would probably avoid (i.e. us old folks
) because their wives haven't got the life insurance paid up yet! I probably wouldn't post any of my rides because I'd be laughed at for them not being "hard" enough.I love mountain biking but I don't love it for the trails or the thrill but for the places that it takes me. I can have a wonderful day on old railbeds that thread Colorado or old dirt roads out on the Colorado plains or even on some wickedly gnarly single track but the bike is only a tool to take me to those places, not the main point.
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10-08-05 | 07:06 PM
#39
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Originally Posted by mtnbiker66
What!!!!!!! If you doin' it right you'll be flying about half the time anyway.Don't be scared you won't get hurt reading about it.I'm just jokin' ya know,don't get all mad. I just like riding but I do have trouble with the whole snob/roadie thing.
I just like riding but I do have trouble with the whole snob/roadie thing.
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10-08-05 | 07:18 PM
#40
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Originally Posted by cyccommute
Look at your avatar. Most people don't like to fall off things. I ride and I ride hard but riding across suspended 2x4's just scares the willies out of me! People, normal people with calcium in their bones, are intimidated by most of what they see in the mountain bike group. Granted it's not all about free-riding, drops and BMX for big kids but it is a large component of that group. Mountain biking isn't just a young man's sport but that's the way it's perceived. There really isn't much there that would appeal to a novice. I'm not a novice and there really isn't much there that appeals to me.
For example there was a recent series of post on pictures of your favorite rides. Nearly every one of the pictures provided was of things that people with families and mortgages would probably avoid (i.e. us old folks) because their wives haven't got the life insurance paid up yet! I probably wouldn't post any of my rides because I'd be laughed at for them not being "hard" enough.
I love mountain biking but I don't love it for the trails or the thrill but for the places that it takes me. I can have a wonderful day on old railbeds that thread Colorado or old dirt roads out on the Colorado plains or even on some wickedly gnarly single track but the bike is only a tool to take me to those places, not the main point.
For example there was a recent series of post on pictures of your favorite rides. Nearly every one of the pictures provided was of things that people with families and mortgages would probably avoid (i.e. us old folks
) because their wives haven't got the life insurance paid up yet! I probably wouldn't post any of my rides because I'd be laughed at for them not being "hard" enough.I love mountain biking but I don't love it for the trails or the thrill but for the places that it takes me. I can have a wonderful day on old railbeds that thread Colorado or old dirt roads out on the Colorado plains or even on some wickedly gnarly single track but the bike is only a tool to take me to those places, not the main point.
And I guess in my world I don't see gender as a factor. My gf, my aunt in law and all of my female friends ride and 'hang' with the best of us. There just isn't an x-factor in regards to gender that I see in this area.
Aren't there people riding road bikes for sport, some for transportation, some as recreation. I just don't see how that is any different than mountain biking have trail riders, xc racers, downhillers and freeriders.
10-08-05 | 07:20 PM
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Originally Posted by cyccommute
I already read the forum and post in it but, and maybe this is what is bugging me, mountain biking is developing it's own brand of snobbishness. It kind of Balkanizing which I don't think is good for the sport in the long run. Just look at the list from Jeff Williams. Used to be that all of that fit under "mountain biking". Now it's just a confusing mishmash of different techniques and equipment. Look at the confusion that reigns about what is an all-mountain bike or a XC bike or a free-ride bike. The differences are slight but the confusion is large. With the possible exception of full on downhillers and XC racing, all three of those bikes could be used for the same thing without the world coming to an end.
10-08-05 | 07:30 PM
#42
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Originally Posted by cyccommute
I already read the forum and post in it but, and maybe this is what is bugging me, mountain biking is developing it's own brand of snobbishness. It kind of Balkanizing which I don't think is good for the sport in the long run. Just look at the list from Jeff Williams. Used to be that all of that fit under "mountain biking". Now it's just a confusing mishmash of different techniques and equipment. Look at the confusion that reigns about what is an all-mountain bike or a XC bike or a free-ride bike. The differences are slight but the confusion is large. With the possible exception of full on downhillers and XC racing, all three of those bikes could be used for the same thing without the world coming to an end.
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10-08-05 | 09:46 PM
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Originally Posted by cyccommute
I already read the forum and post in it but, and maybe this is what is bugging me, mountain biking is developing it's own brand of snobbishness. It kind of Balkanizing which I don't think is good for the sport in the long run. Just look at the list from Jeff Williams. Used to be that all of that fit under "mountain biking". Now it's just a confusing mishmash of different techniques and equipment. Look at the confusion that reigns about what is an all-mountain bike or a XC bike or a free-ride bike. The differences are slight but the confusion is large. With the possible exception of full on downhillers and XC racing, all three of those bikes could be used for the same thing without the world coming to an end.
Look at the confusion that reigns about what is an all-mountain bike or a XC bike or a free-ride bike.
With the possible exception of full on downhillers and XC racing, all three of those bikes could be used for the same thing.
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>>^.
>>>^^ CX.
>>>>>>>>>>>>^^^Offroad.XC racing.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>^^^XC.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>^^^^All mountain
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>^^^^^>Freeride
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>^^^^^^Down hill.
5 and hybrid\custom.
Bring a camera.
Build a bike.
Ride a bike.
Thanks.
Jef.
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10-08-05 | 11:11 PM
#47
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Originally Posted by Maelstrom
The confusion is definately a problem. I wish the industry would just narrow it down. I see some very distinct lines in xc race, trail, and dh/fr. The xc race, xc, trail, all mountain, fr, fr ht and downhill sub-divisions are just ridiculous and more counter productive than useful.
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Dreamin' of Bemidji Down the Mississippi (in part)
Plan Epsilon Around Lake Michigan in the era of Covid
Gold Fever Three days of dirt in Colorado
Pokin' around the Poconos A cold ride around Lake Erie
Dinosaurs in Colorado A mountain bike guide to the Purgatory Canyon dinosaur trackway
Solo Without Pie. The search for pie in the Midwest.
Picking the Scablands. Washington and Oregon, 2005. Pie and spiders on the Columbia River!
10-08-05 | 11:28 PM
#48
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Word. "Look at the confusion that reigns about what is an all-mountain bike or a XC bike or a free-ride bike.
With the possible exception of full on downhillers and XC racing, all three of those bikes could be used for the same thing."
So...
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_.
>-.
>>^.
>>>^^ CX.
>>>>>>>>>>^^^Offroad.XC racing.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>^^^^XC.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>^^^^^All mountain
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>^^^^^^>Freeride
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>^^^^^^^Down hill.
5 and hybrid\custom.
Bring a camera.
Build a bike.
> a bike.
Thanks.
Jef.
^
*
With the possible exception of full on downhillers and XC racing, all three of those bikes could be used for the same thing."
So...
.
_.
>-.
>>^.
>>>^^ CX.
>>>>>>>>>>^^^Offroad.XC racing.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>^^^^XC.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>^^^^^All mountain
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>^^^^^^>Freeride
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>^^^^^^^Down hill.
5 and hybrid\custom.
Bring a camera.
Build a bike.
> a bike.
Thanks.
Jef.
^
*
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10-08-05 | 11:35 PM
#49
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Originally Posted by mtnbiker66
I don't see the snobbishness( is that a made up word) around here. I just ride. I love to be in the woods on a good trail with some friends. A typical group that I ride with will have a couple of freeride go big types,some XC racers and some rec type trail riders. We just go out and have fun.As far as what the different bikes do and the differences being slight,try to race XC on a freeride rig or huck a 20 pound race bike. The difference is huge. Sorry, I said huck.
Here, I feel uncomfortable offering advice on most any aspect of mountain biking, other than mechanical, because I don't do the kind of riding I see others talking about the most (as I perceive it). And we tend to talk more about the equipment than just about anything else anyway. A charge that I am guilty of also. Where's the poetry? Where's the wonder? Where's the discoveries? Maybe what we need less nuts and bolts and more nuts and berries!
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Plan Epsilon Around Lake Michigan in the era of Covid
Gold Fever Three days of dirt in Colorado
Pokin' around the Poconos A cold ride around Lake Erie
Dinosaurs in Colorado A mountain bike guide to the Purgatory Canyon dinosaur trackway
Solo Without Pie. The search for pie in the Midwest.
Picking the Scablands. Washington and Oregon, 2005. Pie and spiders on the Columbia River!
Stuart Black
Dreamin' of Bemidji Down the Mississippi (in part)
Plan Epsilon Around Lake Michigan in the era of Covid
Gold Fever Three days of dirt in Colorado
Pokin' around the Poconos A cold ride around Lake Erie
Dinosaurs in Colorado A mountain bike guide to the Purgatory Canyon dinosaur trackway
Solo Without Pie. The search for pie in the Midwest.
Picking the Scablands. Washington and Oregon, 2005. Pie and spiders on the Columbia River!
10-09-05 | 12:03 AM
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Originally Posted by cyccommute
In the field, people ride and have fun but in the media, be it here or in magazines or other places on the net, there is a bias towards the extremes. Magazines are all race and light parts or all death defying feats. Seldom do you see anything on the straight up joy of bicycle riding. Not 1 in 10 riders out there race or do the extreme stuff but that's all that get coverage and that's the kinds of bikes that get built. Try finding a bike that you could do expeditions on. Hell, try finding a good bike (not a $500 one but a nice bike) that you could put a rack on. You can't. I do very long rides in mountainous situations where I need to carry more stuff than what you can put in a Camelbak but unless I want to use the bandaid approaches of a seat rack (ugly and too high) or an Old Man Mountain rack (completely lose that quick release ability on the rear wheel), the answer from the manufacturers is "why would you want to do that? Loser!"
Here, I feel uncomfortable offering advice on most any aspect of mountain biking, other than mechanical, because I don't do the kind of riding I see others talking about the most (as I perceive it). And we tend to talk more about the equipment than just about anything else anyway. A charge that I am guilty of also. Where's the poetry? Where's the wonder? Where's the discoveries? Maybe what we need less nuts and bolts and more nuts and berries!
Here, I feel uncomfortable offering advice on most any aspect of mountain biking, other than mechanical, because I don't do the kind of riding I see others talking about the most (as I perceive it). And we tend to talk more about the equipment than just about anything else anyway. A charge that I am guilty of also. Where's the poetry? Where's the wonder? Where's the discoveries? Maybe what we need less nuts and bolts and more nuts and berries!
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