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Oh HORRORS!!! Check this out!!!
This was sent to me from Trek - an excerpt from their newsletter "exit 180".
Don't Believe The Hype!

As part of Trek's on-going research and development process of building better OCLV carbon fiber bikes, we do plenty of lab tests (frontal impact & fatigue) to see what works and what doesn't. Fancy finishes notwithstanding, the best measure of how well a frame performs is how well it is made. We slice open plenty of our competitors' frames to check their quality.
Recently, I was stopped in my tracks at the sight of this carbon fork. Wrapped along the inside wall of each leg was a portion of some Chinese newspaper that was leftover from the manufacturing process. This is what you get from an “American” bike company that sources their bikes off-shore with little control over the process.
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Then again, there's also this fine example of foam filler in place of real carbon that was found on the inside of another brand that touts itself as a champion of new technology and hands-on fabrication. There's enough clay in there to sculpt a small ash tray.
Don't Believe The Hype!

As part of Trek's on-going research and development process of building better OCLV carbon fiber bikes, we do plenty of lab tests (frontal impact & fatigue) to see what works and what doesn't. Fancy finishes notwithstanding, the best measure of how well a frame performs is how well it is made. We slice open plenty of our competitors' frames to check their quality.
Recently, I was stopped in my tracks at the sight of this carbon fork. Wrapped along the inside wall of each leg was a portion of some Chinese newspaper that was leftover from the manufacturing process. This is what you get from an “American” bike company that sources their bikes off-shore with little control over the process.
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Take a Look Inside

Then again, there's also this fine example of foam filler in place of real carbon that was found on the inside of another brand that touts itself as a champion of new technology and hands-on fabrication. There's enough clay in there to sculpt a small ash tray.
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I signed up for their newsletter because I'm a Trek owner. I guess they can't say what maker that is. This article was saying that they check out the competition so they can make improvements. I'm not sure if their carbon frames and forks are made overseas. Actually, I think the higher line Treks are made here. My Cake has CF seat stays and that bike was for sure made here.
I don't know how to enlarge the pics.
I don't know how to enlarge the pics.
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I got the email this morning too. They are doing damage control over the broken fork. If anyone wants the newsletter, let me know and I can forward it.
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Recommended reading for all cyclists - Cyclecraft - Effective Cycling
Condor Cycles - quite possibly the best bike shop in London
Don't run red lights, wear a helmet, use hand signals, get some cycle lights(front and rear) and, FFS, don't run red lights!
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So..... did Trek slice open one of their 1000 series bikes to see if the Aluminum was lined with Taiwanese newspapers?
Are all Trek carbon forks OCLV and made in the US? Not sure...
This smacks of propaganda and damage control from the mighty Trek.
Guess I'll disect my Felt later on to see what the scores were in the table tennis matches the day my bike was made....
Are all Trek carbon forks OCLV and made in the US? Not sure...
This smacks of propaganda and damage control from the mighty Trek.
Guess I'll disect my Felt later on to see what the scores were in the table tennis matches the day my bike was made....
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Originally Posted by CyLowe97
...This smacks of propaganda and damage control from the mighty Trek.
BTW does the e-mail mention that a Trek frame bested this one in a fatigue test, stiffness test, weight, other quantifyable quality that means something?
Hey you never know...maybe the engineers have found that newspaper works as a great binder for the CF and saves weight over other resin layup techniques....
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I got a free Trek for my daughter through a promotion. Granted, it wasn't a high-end bike, but all the accessories were proprietary. I had to get a Trek bike rack because no others would work. We bought a Trek mirror. Seems like a sneaky way to eliminate competition.
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Originally Posted by TYB069
So filling the fork with American newspapers is better than filling it with Taiwanese newspapers?
Darn straight about that, buckeroo!
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Originally Posted by oilfreeandhappy
I got a free Trek for my daughter through a promotion. Granted, it wasn't a high-end bike, but all the accessories were proprietary. I had to get a Trek bike rack because no others would work. We bought a Trek mirror. Seems like a sneaky way to eliminate competition.
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Originally Posted by TYB069
So filling the fork with American newspapers is better than filling it with Taiwanese newspapers?
Of course it is, since if we use "their" newspapers, the communists win.
Extra patriotism points if RNC flyers/pamphlets were used instead of newpaper.
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Those clever, thrifty Taiwanese. Just be thankful they didn't use TP.
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Originally Posted by MarkS
Those clever, thrifty Taiwanese. Just be thankful they didn't use TP.
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I've used those in Turkey. They are supposed to either have a hose or a watering pot. What you do is go, then wash your posterior when done.
As a bright side, those things are so nice when you have to throw up...head under stomach...almost painless hurling action.
As a bright side, those things are so nice when you have to throw up...head under stomach...almost painless hurling action.
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Yep, Seeing crap like this only enforces my belief that.......
LUGGED STEEL IS REAL!!!

LUGGED STEEL IS REAL!!!

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Just think of how things would have been different if a Playboy was used in place of a taiwanese newspaper.
.....something tells me there would have been a lot of reports of kids breaking people's forks.
.....something tells me there would have been a lot of reports of kids breaking people's forks.
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Originally Posted by catatonic
Just think of how things would have been different if a Playboy was used in place of a taiwanese newspaper.
.....something tells me there would have been a lot of reports of kids breaking people's forks.
.....something tells me there would have been a lot of reports of kids breaking people's forks.






