Weak point of locking methods?
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Originally Posted by 2manybikes
Where did you get the idea from about locking to two separate posts?
There is a guy I know that commutes to work and uses four locks and an alarm lock. He locks to as many different things as possible, all different parts of a chain link fence gate etc.
He caught a guy stealing his front wheel once before he locked the wheels up,and wrestled it out of his hands and called the cops. The bike he now rides to work was left at his work, he called the police and they said "Advertise it in the paper for 30 days. If no one claims it, it's yours." So he did.
He's the kind of guy that competes in the special Olympics. He will never be able to get a license, so that bike is his life. He rides with us every week and hangs out at the LBS. Everyone is very proud of him for handling everything so well.
I'll try and have him get a photo of his bike locked up.
There is a guy I know that commutes to work and uses four locks and an alarm lock. He locks to as many different things as possible, all different parts of a chain link fence gate etc.
He caught a guy stealing his front wheel once before he locked the wheels up,and wrestled it out of his hands and called the cops. The bike he now rides to work was left at his work, he called the police and they said "Advertise it in the paper for 30 days. If no one claims it, it's yours." So he did.
He's the kind of guy that competes in the special Olympics. He will never be able to get a license, so that bike is his life. He rides with us every week and hangs out at the LBS. Everyone is very proud of him for handling everything so well.
I'll try and have him get a photo of his bike locked up.
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Originally Posted by geo8rge
"I'll put the Sheldon-Brown method to the test"
The question is would someone steal your bike if they had to cut the rear wheel. I would be interested in what the say did to the lock. Do they have a titanium or blade for that thing? I personally think a hand grinder with a diamond blade would be the best method of dealing with a lock.
The question is would someone steal your bike if they had to cut the rear wheel. I would be interested in what the say did to the lock. Do they have a titanium or blade for that thing? I personally think a hand grinder with a diamond blade would be the best method of dealing with a lock.
In the "real world", crooks worry about stuff like getting caught by the cops, and arrested, or caught by the bike's owner. In Texas, it is legal to shoot and kill someone you catch in the act of stealing your property. I'm sure most Texas bike owners would be satisfied doing something a bit less drastic, but a guy stealing bikes in Texas needs to be looking over his shoulder.
So, in the "real world", a crook wants to use methods that are very fast, not too visible, and not too noisy. That rules out ten minutes of noisy work using power tools. Crooks in Houston target bikes using cablelocks, or U-locks from the Master Lock company, (and other makers of cr#&*@p u-locks) because those sorts of locks can be opened in ten seconds or less using portable tools that are easily carried beneath a jacket or raincoat.
If your bike is correctly locked with a "gold" rated lock, using the Sheldon Brown method, the crook has a choice between taking the bike next to it, which has a cable lock) in about ten seconds, using portable tools versus coming back with noisy power tools, and spending about ten or fifteen noisy minutes trying to take YOUR bike. Crooks are dumb, but not so dumb they can't figure out which bike to steal.
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Originally Posted by alanbikehouston
If your bike is correctly locked with a "gold" rated lock, using the Sheldon Brown method, the crook has a choice between taking the bike next to it, which has a cable lock) in about ten seconds, using portable tools versus coming back with noisy power tools, and spending about ten or fifteen noisy minutes trying to take YOUR bike.
Once the rim is broken, the tire, tube, and rim strip are easily cut with a diagonal cutter in just a few seconds. If it's a Kevlar-beaded tire, even a scissors will do the job.
If you or anyone else want to use the SB method, certainly feel free. But I'd suggest you don't make a sacred cow out of it, or go around "guaranteeing" it, or denying that it does have a technical vulnerability. There are other locking techniques with other strengths and weaknesses, and I think the more responsible thing would be to have some objectivity about it. On my bicycle-locking page, I give Sheldon's method a fair and objective explaination, along with a link to it, and then explain why I prefer to do something different. I doubt Sheldon is offended if I prefer to think for myself and decide to choose a different method.
Before you give me the same old saw again about how thieves don't really use this method, let me remind you that you were the person saying they don't really use the Bic Pen Method on Kryptonite locks either. And yet you replaced five of them, IIRC.
Also, given the speed at which a cordless recip saw goes through stuff, they probably won't need more than a 10-second burst to get through a rim, tire & tube if they decide to use that approach. I'm sure I'm not the only person who's thought about cordless power tools in relation to bike theft.
Last edited by mechBgon; 09-17-06 at 09:52 PM.
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Originally Posted by mlts22
The photo should be interesting. I sort of wish his employer, if he is a long time permanent employee there, would find some way of making a lockable cage, locker, a closet with a locking doorknob, or some more secure area for the guy, so he can put his bike there without having to resort to that extreme of locking gymnastics. It would be good for everyone involved -- the employer gets positive PR for helping a handicapped person commute safely to and from work, and the guy wouldn't have to spend so much time hoping that thieves don't take his valued steed. It may not be possible, though... lots of merchants or jobs, space is at an extreme premium.
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14vx2 battery powered angle grinder will remove any lock pretty
quickly. any lock. you can buy carborundum discs by the truckload,
and they will cut/grind away anything metal. diamond is used only
on concrete and masonry...they shatter when grinding metal
if the lock is in a position where is can't be cut, it can be ground away, and vice versa.
turning hardened metal to dust is childs play with an angle grinder
no locked bike is safe....ever. it only prevents opportunistic theft
it is false security if a real bike thief is in your 'hood
quickly. any lock. you can buy carborundum discs by the truckload,
and they will cut/grind away anything metal. diamond is used only
on concrete and masonry...they shatter when grinding metal
if the lock is in a position where is can't be cut, it can be ground away, and vice versa.
turning hardened metal to dust is childs play with an angle grinder
no locked bike is safe....ever. it only prevents opportunistic theft
it is false security if a real bike thief is in your 'hood
Last edited by edzo; 09-17-06 at 08:56 PM.