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Old 07-05-01, 05:24 PM
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does anyone else relate to this. its called "lunch break"
https://www.velotravels.com/movies.html

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Welcome to the forums CarbonGuy, I noticed your email address was a @velotravels.com address. Could you please do me a quick favor, and read #4 of the community guidelines?

I'll leave this post alone, however please dont do this in the future. If you want forum members to visit your site, your more then welcome to put a link in your profile. This link will show up on every post on the forums.
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Sorry!!
The truth is that I made the movie and wanted people to see it. I have a @velotravels address because the guys that built the site are friends of mine.
I was hoping people would see the movie and like it and I didn't think about the connection to velotravles.
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No problem, thanks for understanding.
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dang, this is the most oppressive forum I have ever been to. I am obviously breaking the rules, and I will step out gracefully.

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oppresive? nooo, Joe(the creator) just has specific rules, and since he owns the site, when spammers encroach upon this rules, he has the right to enforce those rules. So read the rules and then this site isn't oppresive.
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The way i see it, is there are tons of cycling forums on the internet, i have 17 in my personal bookmarks (including yours). So, why did i start another forum? Most of the other forums on the internet sucked, they were full of advertisements, full of spam, and flames. I wanted a place where i could talk with other cyclists, a place full of respect, good threads, and fun.

I didnt want a place where people could put others down, a place full of spam and advertisements, or a place supported by 15 ad's on each page.

If you think this site is oppresive, feel free to move on, however you are more then welcome to stay here and chat, just obey the community guidelines, thats all i ask, and there really not that strict.

BTW., the movie was great, how did you make that? You need to continue it, riding to work, bad drivers, flat tires...
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Yea I totally appreciate your rules and this is a good site you have a good community here. I hope this doesn't reflect badly on my friends at velotravels. Also I am glad you liked my movie. I am trying to make some more. THANKS
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I like this forum because people are generally treated with respect, there is tons of good advice for cyclists at all stages of development, there are no ads that jump out at you, no popups, people are often VERY VERY FUNNY (one of the best things about it, in my book), it's easy (well, pretty easy) to navigate and quick to load (there's another forum I've about given up on because it's so balky)--and I suppose I could go on.

In sixty years of following rules and disobeying a few here and there, I've come to believe there are many, many more rules in this world than there need to be. But there are some good ones, too. (Such as, in theory, traffic lights.)

Nobody compelled me to come here, but I stick around because the experience is overwhelmingly positive. If I felt uncomfortable, embarrassed, or annoyed much of the time, I'd be out of here, because there are other things to do. So I think the rules are reasonable and effective.
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Originally posted by ridemonkey.com
dang, this is the most oppressive forum I have ever been to. I am obviously breaking the rules, and I will step out gracefully.
You could have stepped out gracefully, but your preceding comments made that impossible. But I will say no more, since I relish these forums as a place where personal arguments are rare.

Sorry you don't like it here, man.
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Amen, Pete.

As most of you know, I am new to this biking thing. Since I somehow happened across this forum, I have never searched for anyplace else to hang out! A nice place to call home, visit with friends, take some advice, maybe give some once in a while, share a sorrow, or have a laugh.

Thanks, Joe.
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Keep up the good work Joe!
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While checking out some stuff on the RAGBRAI site, I came across the following:

“To furnish the means of acquiring knowledge is . . . the greatest benefit that can be conferred upon mankind. It prolongs life itself and enlarges the sphere of existence.” John Quincy Adams (7/11/1767)

Thanks again, Joe!
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Originally posted by nebill
“To furnish the means of acquiring knowledge is . . . the greatest benefit that can be conferred upon mankind. It prolongs life itself and enlarges the sphere of existence.” John Quincy Adams (7/11/1767)
What a good quote. It bears upon why I love and cherish all those good teachers I had throughout my school years (including grad school). To me, a good teacher is a kind of saint. But I suspect there are saints all around us: they just don't make a lot of clamor!

Thanks for the quote, Nebill!
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Originally posted by Joe Gardner
The way i see it, is there are tons of cycling forums on the internet, i have 17 in my personal bookmarks (including yours). So, why did i start another forum? Most of the other forums on the internet sucked, they were full of advertisements, full of spam, and flames. I wanted a place where i could talk with other cyclists, a place full of respect, good threads, and fun.

I didnt want a place where people could put others down, a place full of spam and advertisements, or a place supported by 15 ad's on each page.
I fully agree, Joe.

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I didnt want a place where people could put others down, a place full of spam and advertisements, or a place supported by 15 ad's on each page.
Joe, I full agree with you, and I appreciate the stuff you do on the forums. I don't agree with ridemonkey's comments about this place being oppressive. I think he's possibly mistaking guidance with censure, and I believe that's NOT what this forum is all about.

Like the others have said in this thread, it's not about someone preventing opinions in this post, but rather ensuring that this forum doesn't get out of hand with advertising and inappropriate flaming. I think it's more about respect, and respecting the rules that everyone had agreed to when we registered on this site.

Ridemonkey, even if I disagree with your comment, hey, that's no big thing, I still think you should hang out here anyway!

Btw, Joe, I'm still wondering if you've found a patch yet, for your bikeforums.com site--I'm still WAY TOO addicted to this place!
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Amen, TG!

You know, when I first read this thread I thought it would be about suggestions for using time wisely. Three leaped to mind immediately:

1. Ride my bike
2. Work on my bike
3. Watch TDF on TV
4. When not occupied by anything more important, earn a living to be able to do 1 through 3.
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Hi folks,
I am the Webmaster for velotravels.com. I thought it might be appropriate if I said a few words on this subject. We here at Velotravels have only one interest, that is building the online community of cyclists. We respect Joe and Bike Forums, we also respect the thousands of other cycling sites out there struggling to put good cycling content online.

What happened here was not an effort to steal Joe's members. Rather, it was a well meaning and misguided (if not unauthorized) effort to get a short film clip some play on the net.

Continually adding to this post and allowing it to remain near the top of the list is counter productive. It does not serve Joe anymore than it serves us. It is pretty much a dead horse.

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Originally posted by bvelo
Hi folks,
I am the Webmaster for velotravels.com. I thought it might be appropriate if I said a few words on this subject. We here at Velotravels have only one interest, that is building the online community of cyclists. We respect Joe and Bike Forums, we also respect the thousands of other cycling sites out there struggling to put good cycling content online.

What happened here was not an effort to steal Joe's members. Rather, it was a well meaning and misguided (if not unauthorized) effort to get a short film clip some play on the net.
In all fairness, I don't think there was any direct criticism of velotravels.com in this thread. It was merely people expressing support for the forum guidelines that Joe has on this site. This is support that I share.

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I saw the flicks. It didn't seem like a diversionary tactic to me.

No big deal.

I appreciate any attempt to add some entertainment to the bicycle world.

HOWEVER, Dear Webmaster at Velotravels.com, if you are going to put that much effort into making a video, you need better writing than: 1) guy drinks, 2) guy puts down cup 3) guy drinks and puts down cup again 4) guy rides away on a bike.

Contact me, I'll help. Seriously. Let's do it and make the download more worthwhile. You can reach me through the private messages at bikeforums.com or e-mail me.
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If fairness had anything to do with it it would have ended when Carbonguy said;
Sorry!!
The truth is that I made the movie and wanted people to see it. I have a @velotravels address because the guys that built the site are friends of mine.
I was hoping people would see the movie and like it and I didn't think about the connection to velotravles.
Sorry again.
And then again when he said;
Yea I totally appreciate your rules and this is a good site you have a good community here. I hope this doesn't reflect badly on my friends at velotravels. Also I am glad you liked my movie. I am trying to make some more. THANKS
I'm not going to say anymore about his post. I think you guys have a great forum full of loyal members. Keep posting and have a nice ride next time you go!
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bvelo, thank you for posting, your more then welcome to post on these forums. I agree 100% with your last post, its not an issue. I may have come down a bit to hard on carbon guy for this post, I do apologize.
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No need to apologize. You are totally right.

Thanks for the welcome. I'll see you around the forums.

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Not to beat the aforementioned "dead horse", but...

I think I missed something.

I saw this post, went to the site, and downloaded the movie. I then watched it.

When I proceeded to read the replies, I was surprised that this would warrant any discussion. I didn't perceive this post as an advert, a diversionary tactic, or any other form of spam.

I've been to other forums where the sense of community is lost and where there is genuine spam and too many ads. (Mostly, I don't like the ads because they are too "in my face" with info I don't want. If it was stuff I actually wanted to buy, it probably wouldn't bother me too much.)

Here, though, is a great community, very supportive and helpful. I fully support this forum and wish to participate for a long time to come. That said, I didn't see the interloping factor of this post. I thought it was just some guy sharing his movie about doing something fun on a bike. People sometimes post links to photos of funny things they saw, pics of their own bikes and accessories, or pics of other people's bikes. I thought this was one of those. It was just moving and had a soundtrack.

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