Dilemma: Do I help pay for this?
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Friendship and money - don't mix.
This is proven by introducing money to monkey communities.
Monkeys were getting plastic tokens of different colors for their work, and behaivor. Different color tokens had different value. Blue one could buy a banan, red one several grapes, black one - could buy nothing.
Eventually, monkey were not interested in black ones, but would fight over other color tokens, even more, female monkeys would hang out more with those males, that had a possesion of more tokens in their corners...
Money can creat arguments even among monkeys, so friendship should be free of money responsibilities.
This is proven by introducing money to monkey communities.
Monkeys were getting plastic tokens of different colors for their work, and behaivor. Different color tokens had different value. Blue one could buy a banan, red one several grapes, black one - could buy nothing.
Eventually, monkey were not interested in black ones, but would fight over other color tokens, even more, female monkeys would hang out more with those males, that had a possesion of more tokens in their corners...
Money can creat arguments even among monkeys, so friendship should be free of money responsibilities.
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Originally posted by Inoplanetyanin
Friendship and money - don't mix.
This is proven by introducing money to monkey communities.
Monkeys were getting plastic tokens of different colors for their work, and behaivor. Different color tokens had different value. Blue one could buy a banan, red one several grapes, black one - could buy nothing.
Eventually, monkey were not interested in black ones, but would fight over other color tokens, even more, female monkeys would hang out more with those males, that had a possesion of more tokens in their corners...
Money can creat arguments even among monkeys, so friendship should be free of money responsibilities.
Friendship and money - don't mix.
This is proven by introducing money to monkey communities.
Monkeys were getting plastic tokens of different colors for their work, and behaivor. Different color tokens had different value. Blue one could buy a banan, red one several grapes, black one - could buy nothing.
Eventually, monkey were not interested in black ones, but would fight over other color tokens, even more, female monkeys would hang out more with those males, that had a possesion of more tokens in their corners...
Money can creat arguments even among monkeys, so friendship should be free of money responsibilities.
As cute and intelligent as monkeys may be, they are not humans. We all have financial dealings with friends and those people who have problems with such interactions will usually have problems in other areas too.
Gonesh obviously has great integrity and wants to do the right thing for his friend. With that being his desire he is sure to keep his friends. If he was asking how to get out of paying up, he would not only be failing a financial challenge, he'd be failing a basic honesty and integrity challenge. Those sorts of people don't keep friends long even if money isn't involved.
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Originally posted by Inoplanetyanin
Friendship and money - don't mix.
This is proven by introducing money to monkey communities.
Monkeys were getting plastic tokens of different colors for their work, and behaivor. Different color tokens had different value. Blue one could buy a banan, red one several grapes, black one - could buy nothing.
Eventually, monkey were not interested in black ones, but would fight over other color tokens, even more, female monkeys would hang out more with those males, that had a possesion of more tokens in their corners...
Money can creat arguments even among monkeys, so friendship should be free of money responsibilities.
Friendship and money - don't mix.
This is proven by introducing money to monkey communities.
Monkeys were getting plastic tokens of different colors for their work, and behaivor. Different color tokens had different value. Blue one could buy a banan, red one several grapes, black one - could buy nothing.
Eventually, monkey were not interested in black ones, but would fight over other color tokens, even more, female monkeys would hang out more with those males, that had a possesion of more tokens in their corners...
Money can creat arguments even among monkeys, so friendship should be free of money responsibilities.
By the way, can you post a link to this study? Where was it carried out and under what circumstances?
I don't want to disbelieve you but I know you sometimes make up stories to illustrate points you're trying to make.
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This information is not from the internet, however I can clearly remember what book I read it from.
The books is called "A Great Adventure in Science" or perhaps "The Great Adventure... not sure in the first article. Anyways, it's an old book, published somewhere around 60s, 70s early 80s.
The story in the book was called "The pay day for primates".
The books is called "A Great Adventure in Science" or perhaps "The Great Adventure... not sure in the first article. Anyways, it's an old book, published somewhere around 60s, 70s early 80s.
The story in the book was called "The pay day for primates".
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If you are really interested, I can ask my friends to find that book. It's in another State..., but accessible.
Monkeys are just an example, tha point is, that as soon as there are THINGS to fight over, there WILL be argument. This is a different issue, not really related to the original subject of the post, so I don't think it really should be discussed in this thread. However, I am confident in the conclusion I made regarding this example and there is another one, with a similar theam. Men and Women. The relationships between them is entirely different untill they are aware of their sixual differences.
This is a claim from Indian Buddhist studies...
Monkeys are just an example, tha point is, that as soon as there are THINGS to fight over, there WILL be argument. This is a different issue, not really related to the original subject of the post, so I don't think it really should be discussed in this thread. However, I am confident in the conclusion I made regarding this example and there is another one, with a similar theam. Men and Women. The relationships between them is entirely different untill they are aware of their sixual differences.
This is a claim from Indian Buddhist studies...
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Originally posted by MediaCreations
So was it a story or a scientific study?
Can you find the information and post the details?
So was it a story or a scientific study?
Can you find the information and post the details?
In my English vocabulary, I don't find another word that can be used to call different sections of the book, so that's why I chose a word - story.
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Originally posted by Inoplanetyanin
What's the point?
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You are glad that I am not your friend because you would expect me to pay if something on your bike breakes under me?
What's the point?
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You are glad that I am not your friend because you would expect me to pay if something on your bike breakes under me?
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Originally posted by Maelstrom
Its respect. If you don't understand that simple concept my conversation with you is done.
Its respect. If you don't understand that simple concept my conversation with you is done.
As a matter of fact in one od Buddhist phylosphycal studies, there is a saying: Discussions should be abondent as they only reflect personal views, and contribute nothing to inlightnment. Part of it has a good point.
Anyhow, enjoy yourself.
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Originally posted by gonesh9
We'll see how this turns out. I told him I'd at least pay half, and I have been searching for deals on new and used shocks. He seems very appreciative that I'm wanting to help out. My bet is that when it comes down to it he'll tell me to put my portion towards some disc brakes for my rig instead, and maybe help him out with installing insulation on his house or something. If he did accept my 1/2 portion, though, I wouldn't hold it against him.
We'll see how this turns out. I told him I'd at least pay half, and I have been searching for deals on new and used shocks. He seems very appreciative that I'm wanting to help out. My bet is that when it comes down to it he'll tell me to put my portion towards some disc brakes for my rig instead, and maybe help him out with installing insulation on his house or something. If he did accept my 1/2 portion, though, I wouldn't hold it against him.
Anywho, if you don't mind, let us know how it turns out. Don't let it ruin your friendship though!!!!!!!
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gonesh9, if it gives you peace, offer to pay for what you think you are responsible. Call it some sort of G-karmic love thing (oops sorry was wondering when I could jam that into a post), but if your friend won't accept your money, and you feel sorry for that as well, say it with beer... the universe will be re-aligned etc...
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Originally posted by Scooby Snax
say it with beer...
say it with beer...
Anyways, I'll keep y'all posted about how it turns out. Thanks for all the help with this dilemma.
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If it's a good friend.. what's $100?
Seriously, though...
If its a good friend, you probably wouldnt have a qualm about offering to pay 50% of the repair. If he's a good friend, he'll thank you and turn your offer down.
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Without reading alot of posts because this thread got pretty far and seemingly off topic at the end a little, I dont think you should pay him. Why is it a specialized design flaw? From what you said, you were actually riding the bike with the seatpost hitting the shock? Its his fault because 1) He should have tightened the clamp more or got a new one to prevent the slippage, and 2) because specialized makes the "slug"....a little rubber piece that sticks to the shock to prevent shock damage. If you were riding the bike with the seatpost hitting the shock though.....I dont know what to say, you really should have been able to feel it. I would only pay if the guy is really mad.
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I see two key facts here. Since you said the seat slipped down onto the shock, it is important to note that you adjusted the seat. Thus it is possible you didn't get it on tight enough, right? That would put some burden on you.
You also said the shock was also already having trouble so that puts some burden on the owner - at least to the point to realize it isn't worth full value. I'm assuming he already knew it was less than perfect.
I think it is fair to pay part - don't know the percentage, but 50% might be fine.
I certainly don't see anything wrong with him accepting such an offer either!
Bob
You also said the shock was also already having trouble so that puts some burden on the owner - at least to the point to realize it isn't worth full value. I'm assuming he already knew it was less than perfect.
I think it is fair to pay part - don't know the percentage, but 50% might be fine.
I certainly don't see anything wrong with him accepting such an offer either!
Bob
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Well, just wanted to let y'all know how this all ended up....
After 2 weeks my friend's shock came back from Fox, and the LBS where he dropped it off said it was only $80. The shop guy seemed very surprised-- he told us how Fox's service is usually super-crappy, and usually this same process costs at least $160. Woo Hoo!
So, I told my friend I felt like I should pitch in for the cost, but he said no, don't worry about it, let's just go ride. After the ride I paid for the pitcher at the pub, and all was good.
Thanks, everyone, for the advice on this one.
After 2 weeks my friend's shock came back from Fox, and the LBS where he dropped it off said it was only $80. The shop guy seemed very surprised-- he told us how Fox's service is usually super-crappy, and usually this same process costs at least $160. Woo Hoo!
So, I told my friend I felt like I should pitch in for the cost, but he said no, don't worry about it, let's just go ride. After the ride I paid for the pitcher at the pub, and all was good.
Thanks, everyone, for the advice on this one.
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> You don't get stronger by riding, you get stronger by resting <
Dang, then before I took up biking, I must have been the strongest guy in the world!!! (grin)
Bob
Dang, then before I took up biking, I must have been the strongest guy in the world!!! (grin)
Bob