Some help with a technical cycling term, please!
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Some help with a technical cycling term, please!
Hi everyone,
I know that cadence is the actual rotational speed of the cranks measured in RPM.
However, I was wondering if there was a term to describe a similar but related concept. For each speed of the wheel, and each gear, there is minimum cadence that is required in order to engage the cranks (the minimum cadence so that you are not free pedaling). Is there a technical term cyclists use to describe this specific value?
Thanks in advance!!
I know that cadence is the actual rotational speed of the cranks measured in RPM.
However, I was wondering if there was a term to describe a similar but related concept. For each speed of the wheel, and each gear, there is minimum cadence that is required in order to engage the cranks (the minimum cadence so that you are not free pedaling). Is there a technical term cyclists use to describe this specific value?
Thanks in advance!!
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I don't think that there is a different term for what you are describing, because it is effectively the same as cadence.
Thinking as I type here...
For a given speed (m/s) (v=s/t), the wheel rotates at a certain rate (vr=(2pi(s/2.02))/t) (i.e., angular rotation of the wheel per second, assuming 700x23 tires). The rotational velocity of the wheel is directly related to the minimum rpms of the crank by the gear ratio (chainring/cog). So, in order to find the necessary angular rotation of the crank per second you would simply multiply by the reciprocal ((cog/chainring)*(2pi(s/2.02))/t).
All of this calculates the minimum cadence for a given velocity and gear ratio, but it is also a backwards way of describing how cadence and gear ratio determine velocity. In other words, given any two of the three variables, the other necessarily follows.
What you are talking about is the same as cadence.
Thinking as I type here...
For a given speed (m/s) (v=s/t), the wheel rotates at a certain rate (vr=(2pi(s/2.02))/t) (i.e., angular rotation of the wheel per second, assuming 700x23 tires). The rotational velocity of the wheel is directly related to the minimum rpms of the crank by the gear ratio (chainring/cog). So, in order to find the necessary angular rotation of the crank per second you would simply multiply by the reciprocal ((cog/chainring)*(2pi(s/2.02))/t).
All of this calculates the minimum cadence for a given velocity and gear ratio, but it is also a backwards way of describing how cadence and gear ratio determine velocity. In other words, given any two of the three variables, the other necessarily follows.
What you are talking about is the same as cadence.
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Originally Posted by mooklekloon
I know that cadence is the actual rotational speed of the cranks measured in RPM.
However, I was wondering if there was a term to describe a similar but related concept. For each speed of the wheel, and each gear, there is minimum cadence that is required in order to engage the cranks (the minimum cadence so that you are not free pedaling). Is there a technical term cyclists use to describe this specific value?
However, I was wondering if there was a term to describe a similar but related concept. For each speed of the wheel, and each gear, there is minimum cadence that is required in order to engage the cranks (the minimum cadence so that you are not free pedaling). Is there a technical term cyclists use to describe this specific value?
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Originally Posted by thequickfix
What you are talking about is the same as cadence.
He wants to know if there's a name for the cadence threshold for any given gear-inch combination beneath which the rider is soft-pedaling, and above which the pawls on the rear hub are engaged by the drivetrain.
I'm pretty sure the correct answer is "no, there isn't a name for it."
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It depends where you're from, on the east coast it's called "the cadence below which you're soft pedalling", however on the west coast it's called "the cadence above which you're not soft pedalling"
....can be confusing.
....can be confusing.
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If I'm not mistaken, what the OP is asking about is *not* the same as "cadence".
He wants to know if there's a name for the cadence threshold for any given gear-inch combination beneath which the rider is soft-pedaling, and above which the pawls on the rear hub are engaged by the drivetrain.
I'm pretty sure the correct answer is "no, there isn't a name for it."
He wants to know if there's a name for the cadence threshold for any given gear-inch combination beneath which the rider is soft-pedaling, and above which the pawls on the rear hub are engaged by the drivetrain.
I'm pretty sure the correct answer is "no, there isn't a name for it."
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Paul Sherwen calls soft pedaling "glass cranking." Therefore the term you are searching for is "anti-glass cranking."
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Originally Posted by thequickfix
Actually, I'm almost certain it's the same thing. Think about it: for a given speed and gear ratio, the rate of rotation of the cranks necessarily follows, regardless of whether you are "soft pedaling" or not. Consider a fixed gear drivetrain. Even if you are not applying pressure to the pedals, the cranks will spin at a certain rate depending upon how fast you are going.
"there is minimum cadence that is required in order to engage the cranks (the minimum cadence so that you are not free pedaling)."
Then anything slower than normal cadence is really the same as coasting. There's not enough force to maintain steady speed. It's actually possible with soft-pedaling to pedal slower than necessary, but still have the crank & rear-hub pawls engaged with barely any force.
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Circulation maintenance of the legs while coasting?
That would be my proposal. On long coasts down hill, I will slowly roll the cranks to keep the blood flow going in my legs. Is that what the OP is asking?
That would be my proposal. On long coasts down hill, I will slowly roll the cranks to keep the blood flow going in my legs. Is that what the OP is asking?
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Originally Posted by Bob Ross
If I'm not mistaken, what the OP is asking about is *not* the same as "cadence".
He wants to know if there's a name for the cadence threshold for any given gear-inch combination beneath which the rider is soft-pedaling, and above which the pawls on the rear hub are engaged by the drivetrain.
I'm pretty sure the correct answer is "no, there isn't a name for it."
He wants to know if there's a name for the cadence threshold for any given gear-inch combination beneath which the rider is soft-pedaling, and above which the pawls on the rear hub are engaged by the drivetrain.
I'm pretty sure the correct answer is "no, there isn't a name for it."
If you want to calculate the cadence for a particular gear combo and speed you can, but it is a predetermined number...there is no variability in it.
If you are riding at a speed that means your wheel is spinning at 100 rpm and you are in a 48/24 combo (if there is such a thing), the pedals must be spinning at 50 rpm. Anything less than that and you are coasting; anything more, and you have sped up the bike.
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Originally Posted by Bob Ross
He wants to know if there's a name for the cadence threshold for any given gear-inch combination beneath which the rider is soft-pedaling, and above which the pawls on the rear hub are engaged by the drivetrain.
I'm pretty sure the correct answer is "no, there isn't a name for it."
I'm pretty sure the correct answer is "no, there isn't a name for it."
At 3mph, a 34X17 gear combo can be engaged with a low cadence.
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Originally Posted by Cyclaholic
It depends where you're from, on the east coast it's called "the cadence below which you're soft pedalling", however on the west coast it's called "the cadence above which you're not soft pedalling"
....can be confusing.
....can be confusing.





