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Old 09-10-07, 11:24 PM
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Bicycle Trail right of way

Does anyone here know of a bicycle trail in a major city which has right of way (i.e., stop signs for the cars, but NOT for the bikes) at some or all of the intersections with roadway (i.e., cars) traffic? I'm doing some research, and I need to find out how it has worked in other cities.



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Old 09-12-07, 07:30 PM
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The only thing I have seen that remotely comes close to your description is a trail crossing in Prince Georges County in Maryland. I believe it is on the Northwest Branch Trail crossing US 1. While cyclists do have a stop sign and the cars do not, there is a sensor (two vertical posts) that when a cyclist passes through the sensors embedded lights along the crosswalk start to flash. So far in my experience has resulted in a high compliance of motorists stopping and yielding the right of way to cyclists. So the net effect is more like a yield then a stop for trail users. The only problem now is trying to get more of these things installed.

I don’t have any numbers but from observing behavior from both cyclists and motorist this seems to be the safest busy road crossing of a trail that I have seen and it is the most convenient for trail users.
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From a legal perspective, in many states cyclists do have the right of way at all trail crossings. If
a) a trail crossings has a crosswalk; and
b) your state has a law giving cyclists on sidewalks and crosswalks the "rights and duties" of pedestrians, as most do; and
c) your state gives the right of way to pedestrians at crosswalks

then cyclists have right of way at the trail crossing. There was recently a case in Virginia where this was litigated after a collision between a car and a cyclist at a trail crossing. The court ruled the cyclist had right of way, even though there was a stop sign on the trail. The reasoning was that cyclists have the "rights and duties" of pedestrians, and pedestrians have no duty to stop at stop signs. The only signal that pedestrians have a duty to stop for in VA is a "Don't Walk" sign.

As a practical matter, around here cars won't stop for pedestrians in crosswalks, let alone cyclists. The people that run the trails do everything they can to get cyclists to stop at crossings, because they know that cars can't be relied on. Recently, after a cyclist was killed at a local crossing, the cops were out patrolling the crosswalk for a few days. Instead of making sure that motorists stopped for the crosswalk, they were making cyclists dismount and walk and waving the cars through.
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I submitted my two cents on that WO&D junk VA was considering but I have not heard of the out come. For me one of the major issues on the “problem” intersections is poor sight lines in violation of AASHTO and they were purposing doing stuff not recommended by AASHTO and refusing to consider bringing the trail up to AASHTO recommendations. You don’t fix problems with more problems!
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