catching a thief in the act?
#26
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if you cut them with a knife or use a weapon, it might be a good idea to call the police just so the first word to go on paper is yours. Besides, if they go to the hospital, they might be able to cross reference the wound with the report? or maybe thats just wishful thinking.
There's a certain amount of hassle involved in making a report, and it's a good possibility that the thief will not come forward anyway. Even if they turn up at a hospital for treatment they may not tell the truth of where or why they got hurt.
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depends on how big the person is..if they looked cracked out or could over power my 5'10 frame..i will probably say hey what are you doing? im calling the police..and get on your phone. If they are a bit my size i will probably come right up and grab the bike from them..and give thema mouth full of words..most people if they see you coming will walk away. Most thieves dont want any sort of conflict with anbody..but this isnt always the case. I carry mace or my CCW most of the time so im not to worried.
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I would assume the normal "stance" for a bike thief would be in sort of a kneel. If I saw him first, I'd walk up behind him and kick him in the ribs with every bit of strength I could muster. If he could see me first, I'd just walk on by like it wasn't mine... then I'd double back and do the same as above. I'm 6'4" about 275- I can be pretty threatening
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I have a very good Teacher Voice that has cowed Marines in the past. Unfortunately I also have a very bad temper and I'm not totally sure which would win out.
#34
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If you have time...take out your mobile phone, pretty much all of them have cameras on them these days.
Just take a snap and then proceed with any other plan. That way even if they end up going to hospital you always have proof they actually were attempting to steal.
Just take a snap and then proceed with any other plan. That way even if they end up going to hospital you always have proof they actually were attempting to steal.
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When riding, I usually carry a Spyderco knife on a pull-off cord around my neck, and wouldn't hesitate to cut an adult--just not anywhere or badly enough to be life-threatening. The outside of the forearm is good because it incapacitates the gripping strength of that hand.
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This assumes, of course, that the "outside" of the forearm is the part corresponding to the back of the hand; the hairy side. I am neither recommending nor condoning cutting a thief, nor advocating nor discouraging biomechanical cutting. (This whole idea of making little cuts to disable an opponent causes lively debates in martial arts and self defense forums!) I just don't want a cyclist to go into a fight against a thief, with the intent to use a technique which is likely to not work as planned.
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#36
I really get a buzz outta the fools who think a weapon (gun/knife)
is the best way to solve this issue. Better check with a cop to see
just how far on the wrong side of the law you'd be if you even
displayed any weapon. You're in for a suprize 'cause all of the
sudden YOU'RE the criminal!

The wild west really is dead.
is the best way to solve this issue. Better check with a cop to see
just how far on the wrong side of the law you'd be if you even
displayed any weapon. You're in for a suprize 'cause all of the
sudden YOU'RE the criminal!


The wild west really is dead.
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Steel: nearly a thousand years of metallurgical development
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My preferred bicycle brand is.......WORKSMAN CYCLES
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Steel: nearly a thousand years of metallurgical development
Aluminum: barely a hundred, which one would you rather have under your butt at 30mph?
#37
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I am rarely alone when I'm out riding; so if I caught a thief, there would almost certainly be several other cyclists with me. Guaranteed, the thief would not leave the scene under his own power.
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I really get a buzz outta the fools who think a weapon (gun/knife)
is the best way to solve this issue. Better check with a cop to see
just how far on the wrong side of the law you'd be if you even
displayed any weapon. You're in for a suprize 'cause all of the
sudden YOU'RE the criminal!

The wild west really is dead.
is the best way to solve this issue. Better check with a cop to see
just how far on the wrong side of the law you'd be if you even
displayed any weapon. You're in for a suprize 'cause all of the
sudden YOU'RE the criminal!


The wild west really is dead.

Best thing about it is that we had zero robbery attempts made on our house after that!
Of course you cant necessary do the same thing when you see a robbery out on the streets.
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#40
Bike ≠ Car ≠ Ped.

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#43
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Every time something like this comes up, I'm amazed by the number of people who say that they would react violently, and indicate that they are prepared to do so, either because they usually carry a gun and/or a knife, or because they're trained in specialized hand-to-hand combat techniques. Some of those people probably are trained/armed/etc., and a few are probably just internet tough guys. Who knows.
Me, I don't carry or own a gun. Never have, never will. I do carry a knife, but it's one of those tiny little Swiss Army knives. Not exactly an intimidating weapon. It comes in handy for opening envelopes or cutting a story out of the newspaper, though.
I'm a middle-aged man with creaky joints (one of which is artificial at this point, and another that will probably be replaced in a year or so). I take various medications, including one for a heart condition. I'm pretty realistic about my chances of coming out of a violent encounter unscathed.
It's a bicycle, folks. If I really thought a thief would take off at the sound of my voice, sure, I'll yell at him. Otherwise, I can always get another bicycle.
Me, I don't carry or own a gun. Never have, never will. I do carry a knife, but it's one of those tiny little Swiss Army knives. Not exactly an intimidating weapon. It comes in handy for opening envelopes or cutting a story out of the newspaper, though.
I'm a middle-aged man with creaky joints (one of which is artificial at this point, and another that will probably be replaced in a year or so). I take various medications, including one for a heart condition. I'm pretty realistic about my chances of coming out of a violent encounter unscathed.
It's a bicycle, folks. If I really thought a thief would take off at the sound of my voice, sure, I'll yell at him. Otherwise, I can always get another bicycle.
#44
If you guys were to walk out to your bike (from inside the store, or from inside your house, etc), what or how would you react to that (in various scenarios)?
Like say what are you allowed to do to a thief that has your seat off and was in the process of taking off other parts (locked outside of a store)?
What would you do in other situations? What if the thief tries to run away?
Like say what are you allowed to do to a thief that has your seat off and was in the process of taking off other parts (locked outside of a store)?
What would you do in other situations? What if the thief tries to run away?

Picking up that phone and calling 911 is the best option as it's just a bike and bikes can be replaced... they're just stuff.
If I was being physically threatened then the rules would change as I might not have the luxury of calling 911 until later and then I would probably be requesting an ambulance as well as the police.
My nephew caught a couple of guys trying to jack his brand new bike and he was just leaving the store with his new shackle in hand... they failed to heed his request to step away from his bike and then threated to kick his ass.
In the history of bad choices, this one ranks up there pretty highly.
I know another fellow who had three youths stop him and try to jack his ride while he was on it and not only threatened him but his son who was in the rear child seat.
He almost beat them to death.
I have never caught anyone messing with my bikes...they tend to be securely locked and the multiple shackles and cables are a good deterrent and I always park in well lit and fairly public places.
My friend and I once had three guys try to jack our rides while we were walking our bikes back from teaching a karate class that evening... it was a bad choice on an epic level.
#45
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#46
Barrack - I have always been a very non violent person and the best weapon I have has always been my mind as this has saved my butt more than my physical skills ever have.
I have also always thought that when a non violent approach fails, you need to have a backup plan and the skills to carry it out... I hate fighting but if it comes down to having to open up that can of whupass... I pack a 2-4.
I have told this before... and have used it as a teaching example.
I was waiting on the train platform after seeing a concert and was approached by a rather drunk and very large, cowboy hat wearing, huge belt buckle sporting redneck.
A large group of young Asian youths started up the stairs to the platform and he gave me a nudge and said we should go kick their f-ing gook asses.
I ignored him and he gave me another nudge and spewed some more racist comments and threats.
I turned to him and signed and said (in my best deaf voice). "I'm sorry I can't hear you, do you know sign language ? "
He cursed and walked away to catch his train.
A couple on the platform were staring at me and I told them, "it's okay...I'm not deaf" and the fellow pretty much fell down laughing his ass off and on the ride home kept telling me that this was the coolest thing he ever saw".
This could have been a very ugly situation if he had started a fight or if he had actually known ISL...
I have also always thought that when a non violent approach fails, you need to have a backup plan and the skills to carry it out... I hate fighting but if it comes down to having to open up that can of whupass... I pack a 2-4.
I have told this before... and have used it as a teaching example.
I was waiting on the train platform after seeing a concert and was approached by a rather drunk and very large, cowboy hat wearing, huge belt buckle sporting redneck.
A large group of young Asian youths started up the stairs to the platform and he gave me a nudge and said we should go kick their f-ing gook asses.
I ignored him and he gave me another nudge and spewed some more racist comments and threats.
I turned to him and signed and said (in my best deaf voice). "I'm sorry I can't hear you, do you know sign language ? "
He cursed and walked away to catch his train.
A couple on the platform were staring at me and I told them, "it's okay...I'm not deaf" and the fellow pretty much fell down laughing his ass off and on the ride home kept telling me that this was the coolest thing he ever saw".
This could have been a very ugly situation if he had started a fight or if he had actually known ISL...
#48
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I don't have children. I don't have pets. Stay away from my bicycle. Stay away from my baby.
Last edited by Pepper Grinder; 06-24-08 at 06:04 AM.
#49
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Use the right tool for each job. In this case, taser, plastic bag over the head secured with zip ties, also
hands and feet secured with zip ties. Give him a good kick in the stomach before you leave to really get
him gasping.
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