For those that carry CO2, instead of a frame pump.
#1
For those that carry CO2, instead of a frame pump.
How many cartridges do you carry? I'm talking about the inexpensive ones you buy at your local Wal-Mart or K-Mart, etc. They usually come in packages of 5 to 15 for around $2.00 to $12.00. Each cartridge holds 12 grams of CO2.
I'm not sure if you can find any that hold more that will fit in the CO2 gun used to air up a bike tire, but I imagine if you can they are a lot more expensive then $2.00 to $12.00 a box.
Just curious as to how many others carry to fill up say a 100psi tire. I carry 6 at a time. I figure 2 for each tire, with 2 extra. I know it takes more then one to completely fill a 100psi tire.
I'm not sure if you can find any that hold more that will fit in the CO2 gun used to air up a bike tire, but I imagine if you can they are a lot more expensive then $2.00 to $12.00 a box.
Just curious as to how many others carry to fill up say a 100psi tire. I carry 6 at a time. I figure 2 for each tire, with 2 extra. I know it takes more then one to completely fill a 100psi tire.
#2
Friend of Jimmy K

Joined: Apr 2002
Posts: 1,458
Likes: 2
From: Minneapolis
Bikes: A lot: Raliegh road bike, 3 fixed gears, 2 single speeds, 3 Cannondales, a couple of Schwinns
I just picked up a 16 grm CO2, that'll get a road tire up to 125/135 no problem, or so they say. With the 12 you can get 90 #s of pressure in there, and at least make home to top it off, so I usually carry 2. I learned a tough lesson, wasting one and then getting stuck when it didn't fill the tire. So, now I have two.
Oh, and if you are carrying them don't have the valve screwed on, turn the cartridge around backwards that way you won't discharge the cartridge accidentaly.
Oh, and if you are carrying them don't have the valve screwed on, turn the cartridge around backwards that way you won't discharge the cartridge accidentaly.
#3
DEADBEEF

Joined: Aug 2002
Posts: 12,234
Likes: 10
From: Catching his breath alongside a road near Seattle, WA USA
Bikes: 1999 K2 OzM, 2001 Aegis Aro Svelte
I carry two cartridges. They are attached to a common holder along with my forward bottle cage...


If need be, I could carry two more by buying similar mounts for my seat-tube bottle cage mount (might rub my legs though) or I could use a generic one like this...

And if that's not enough, I can always install some cage mounts onto the saddle...

... and in conjunction with two of the above cartridge mounts, carry an additional four cartridges. Seems over the top though.
If need be, I could carry two more by buying similar mounts for my seat-tube bottle cage mount (might rub my legs though) or I could use a generic one like this...

And if that's not enough, I can always install some cage mounts onto the saddle...

... and in conjunction with two of the above cartridge mounts, carry an additional four cartridges. Seems over the top though.
__________________
1999 K2 OzM
2001 Aegis Aro Svelte
"Be liberal in what you accept, and conservative in what you send." -- Jon Postel, RFC1122
1999 K2 OzM
2001 Aegis Aro Svelte"Be liberal in what you accept, and conservative in what you send." -- Jon Postel, RFC1122
#4
Senior Member

Joined: Jun 2001
Posts: 799
Likes: 0
From: Michigan
I carry 2 16-oz cartridges and 2 tubes & patches & a presta/schraeder adapter (also some duct tape on a small pencil as a boot for the tire) If I get more than 2 flats, I'll have to borrow one from another rider or walk to a service station.
#5
I am a lonely visitor

Joined: Feb 2002
Posts: 2,630
Likes: 2
From: Where even Richard Nixon has got soul
Bikes: Michelle Pfieffer, the Carbon Fiber Wonder Bike: A Kestrel 200 SCI Repainted in glorious mango; Old Paintless, A Litespeed Obed; The Bike With No Name: A Bianchi Eros; RegularBike: A Parkpre Comp Ltd rebuilt as a singlespeed.
On my roadie I carry two 12 gram cartridges, a spare tube and a patch kit.
I'm pretty confident in my ability to repair flats and to use the C02 inflater. If you aren't as confident, it might be a good idea to carry an extra tube, or a minipump.
I'm pretty confident in my ability to repair flats and to use the C02 inflater. If you aren't as confident, it might be a good idea to carry an extra tube, or a minipump.
__________________
Religion is a good thing for good people and a bad thing for bad people. --H. Richard Niebuhr
Religion is a good thing for good people and a bad thing for bad people. --H. Richard Niebuhr
#6
Ride to remember

Joined: Aug 2003
Posts: 198
Likes: 0
From: Niagara Region, Ontario
Bikes: 02 Giant OCR 3, 95 Kona Cinder Cone, 83 Norco Monterey
I carry the same model as pictured above. Had to use it for the first time ever this spring. It filled the tire to 120 no problems, and I put another 50 kms into the ride. My only advice is do a practice run and waste a cartridge. My flat was the first use and I almost fell over when I filled the tire... it filled in about a second and shocked the heck outta me. I imagine it would be more of a surprise if the tire wasn't seated properly.
#7
90% of the time I carry
1 tube
1 16 gram CO2
1 tire level
1 cell phone
The other 10% I bring a Topeak Road Morph and two tubes but only on long (4+ hour) solo training rides.
I also have to admit that most of the guys I ride with carry a frame pump (Topeak Road Morph is a local favorite) so I really don't worry about it much. That topped off with the fact that I haven't flatted on the road in over 15,000 miles doesn't hurt either.
1 tube
1 16 gram CO2
1 tire level
1 cell phone
The other 10% I bring a Topeak Road Morph and two tubes but only on long (4+ hour) solo training rides.
I also have to admit that most of the guys I ride with carry a frame pump (Topeak Road Morph is a local favorite) so I really don't worry about it much. That topped off with the fact that I haven't flatted on the road in over 15,000 miles doesn't hurt either.
#8
DEADBEEF

Joined: Aug 2002
Posts: 12,234
Likes: 10
From: Catching his breath alongside a road near Seattle, WA USA
Bikes: 1999 K2 OzM, 2001 Aegis Aro Svelte
Originally Posted by BikeInMN
That topped off with the fact that I haven't flatted on the road in over 15,000 miles doesn't hurt either.
You know that having just said what you said, you've probably just jinxed yourself.
__________________
1999 K2 OzM
2001 Aegis Aro Svelte
"Be liberal in what you accept, and conservative in what you send." -- Jon Postel, RFC1122
1999 K2 OzM
2001 Aegis Aro Svelte"Be liberal in what you accept, and conservative in what you send." -- Jon Postel, RFC1122
#9
Originally Posted by khuon
So you're about due...
You know that having just said what you said, you've probably just jinxed yourself. 
You know that having just said what you said, you've probably just jinxed yourself. 
I've been told that many a time over the last 5000 miles
A good chunk of it is luck (knock on wood) but I also run Conti Gatorskins all spring long when the road conditions (read glass, sand, nails, rocks and various car parts) are the worst.
#10
One knee is enough

Joined: Mar 2004
Posts: 281
Likes: 0
From: East Central Illinois
Bikes: 1978 Fuji - now fixed and pegged. 1980s Cannondale Touring - pegged with 18 speeds. 2001 Cannondale CADD 3 - not being ridden
I carry a framepump now, but I used to carry a mini-pump mounted to the frame and two 12 oz cartridges in my bag.
I used the mini-pump to get the tire up to about 30 psi to make sure the tire was seated and alined. Then the CO2 cartridge to get up to pressure.
I learned a trick in filling a road tire with CO2 that I haven't heard from others. You will notice that the cartridge gets freezing cold as the CO2 comes out of it. If you wait a few minutes for it to warm back up to ambient temprature, significantly more CO2 will come out if you use it again. I do it on the same tire to get it all the way up to pressure.
I used the mini-pump to get the tire up to about 30 psi to make sure the tire was seated and alined. Then the CO2 cartridge to get up to pressure.
I learned a trick in filling a road tire with CO2 that I haven't heard from others. You will notice that the cartridge gets freezing cold as the CO2 comes out of it. If you wait a few minutes for it to warm back up to ambient temprature, significantly more CO2 will come out if you use it again. I do it on the same tire to get it all the way up to pressure.
#11
I carry 2 16oz cartidges for these reasons:
1. In case of a bit of air leakage while inflating, 16 oz will still get you up to 100psi
2. Carry 2 CO2 cartridges because sometimes you will get blanks. A cartridge with no air in it!
1. In case of a bit of air leakage while inflating, 16 oz will still get you up to 100psi
2. Carry 2 CO2 cartridges because sometimes you will get blanks. A cartridge with no air in it!
#12
Clydesdale, for now.

Joined: Apr 2003
Posts: 4,299
Likes: 0
From: Belfast, Sunny Northern Ireland!
Bikes: Giant Escape M2
I used to carry one, but reserve it for my next scooter/motorbike now instead, and will use a road morph instead now.
Used to carry about four on the scooter - occasionally I'd fit the damn thing wrongly, and that would be one down the tube, and it would need two to fill well enough to do 70mph safely.
Used to carry about four on the scooter - occasionally I'd fit the damn thing wrongly, and that would be one down the tube, and it would need two to fill well enough to do 70mph safely.
__________________
Fat man trying to reform. slowly. :)
START 330lbs
NOW 286lbs
TARGET 168lbs
Fat man trying to reform. slowly. :)
START 330lbs
NOW 286lbs
TARGET 168lbs
#13
DEADBEEF

Joined: Aug 2002
Posts: 12,234
Likes: 10
From: Catching his breath alongside a road near Seattle, WA USA
Bikes: 1999 K2 OzM, 2001 Aegis Aro Svelte
Originally Posted by MERTON
you could also use one of those small (note the small part) seat post bags.
__________________
1999 K2 OzM
2001 Aegis Aro Svelte
"Be liberal in what you accept, and conservative in what you send." -- Jon Postel, RFC1122
1999 K2 OzM
2001 Aegis Aro Svelte"Be liberal in what you accept, and conservative in what you send." -- Jon Postel, RFC1122
#14
need to go out and ride..

Joined: Mar 2004
Posts: 1,435
Likes: 0
From: Bay Area, CA
Bikes: 2011 Scott Addict R1, 2014 Redline Conquest Team, 2015 BMC TMR02
quick questions.. about these CO2 pumps... does any of them come with a gauge? even those that come with a gauge, are those fairly accurate? i currently use the road morph... but been thinking about the CO2 as well.. it doesn't hurt to carry both i think..
#15
I carry three 12 oz in my seat bag along with 2 tubes, glueless patches, cell phone, copy of my DL & Insurance card, a few $$$, a little change, and a multi tool (which I've never used). My inflator won't accept a 16 oz I don't believe. After a few weeks layoff during the winter I checked my gear and found a punctured cartridge in the inflator - it still had some pressure to it.
#16
For a single day ride, I carry the following:
One spare tube
One patch kit
One mini pump
One Co2 inflator with one cartridge
If I have a flat, I always use the pump to air up the tire to about 30 PSI or so, then use CO2 to fill the rest of the way. I view the CO2 only as a way to get full pressure without excessive pumping on a small pump.
If you carry a pump, you can always fill a tube. You can also repeatedly add air to a slow leak and might get home without changing tubes.
If you only carry CO2, how would you put a little air in a tube to find a leak? You might have more flats than spare tubes.
One spare tube
One patch kit
One mini pump
One Co2 inflator with one cartridge
If I have a flat, I always use the pump to air up the tire to about 30 PSI or so, then use CO2 to fill the rest of the way. I view the CO2 only as a way to get full pressure without excessive pumping on a small pump.
If you carry a pump, you can always fill a tube. You can also repeatedly add air to a slow leak and might get home without changing tubes.
If you only carry CO2, how would you put a little air in a tube to find a leak? You might have more flats than spare tubes.
#17
Originally Posted by ruirui
quick questions.. about these CO2 pumps... does any of them come with a gauge? even those that come with a gauge, are those fairly accurate? i currently use the road morph... but been thinking about the CO2 as well.. it doesn't hurt to carry both i think..
BTW, what is a road morph? Some kind of a frame pump?
#18
DEADBEEF

Joined: Aug 2002
Posts: 12,234
Likes: 10
From: Catching his breath alongside a road near Seattle, WA USA
Bikes: 1999 K2 OzM, 2001 Aegis Aro Svelte
Originally Posted by N_C
BTW, what is a road morph? Some kind of a frame pump?
__________________
1999 K2 OzM
2001 Aegis Aro Svelte
"Be liberal in what you accept, and conservative in what you send." -- Jon Postel, RFC1122
1999 K2 OzM
2001 Aegis Aro Svelte"Be liberal in what you accept, and conservative in what you send." -- Jon Postel, RFC1122
#19
need to go out and ride..

Joined: Mar 2004
Posts: 1,435
Likes: 0
From: Bay Area, CA
Bikes: 2011 Scott Addict R1, 2014 Redline Conquest Team, 2015 BMC TMR02
Originally Posted by khuon
#20
Clydesdale, for now.

Joined: Apr 2003
Posts: 4,299
Likes: 0
From: Belfast, Sunny Northern Ireland!
Bikes: Giant Escape M2
Originally Posted by ruirui
wicked,... never saw that one before. the one i have has the gauge on the tube instead of on the body of the pump.
That looks like the digital version, which is getting silly.

Just bought one, and it has no gauge at all... bit disappointing initially, but it still lets me pump up the tyre real hard to get home though.
__________________
Fat man trying to reform. slowly. :)
START 330lbs
NOW 286lbs
TARGET 168lbs
Fat man trying to reform. slowly. :)
START 330lbs
NOW 286lbs
TARGET 168lbs
#21
DEADBEEF

Joined: Aug 2002
Posts: 12,234
Likes: 10
From: Catching his breath alongside a road near Seattle, WA USA
Bikes: 1999 K2 OzM, 2001 Aegis Aro Svelte
Originally Posted by belfast-biker
That looks like the digital version, which is getting silly. 
Just bought one, and it has no gauge at all... bit disappointing initially, but it still lets me pump up the tyre real hard to get home though.

Just bought one, and it has no gauge at all... bit disappointing initially, but it still lets me pump up the tyre real hard to get home though.

It would be nice if it had a gauge but to be honest, I've never really missed one. I have considered slipping my little Topeak digital pressure gauge into my CamelBak at times though.
__________________
1999 K2 OzM
2001 Aegis Aro Svelte
"Be liberal in what you accept, and conservative in what you send." -- Jon Postel, RFC1122
1999 K2 OzM
2001 Aegis Aro Svelte"Be liberal in what you accept, and conservative in what you send." -- Jon Postel, RFC1122
#24
DEADBEEF

Joined: Aug 2002
Posts: 12,234
Likes: 10
From: Catching his breath alongside a road near Seattle, WA USA
Bikes: 1999 K2 OzM, 2001 Aegis Aro Svelte
Originally Posted by RacerX
I don't understand how that Einstein works. Is the diagram showing it mount to the hub and spin with the wheel or something?
__________________
1999 K2 OzM
2001 Aegis Aro Svelte
"Be liberal in what you accept, and conservative in what you send." -- Jon Postel, RFC1122
1999 K2 OzM
2001 Aegis Aro Svelte"Be liberal in what you accept, and conservative in what you send." -- Jon Postel, RFC1122
#25
Originally Posted by khuon
So you're about due...
You know that having just said what you said, you've probably just jinxed yourself. 
You know that having just said what you said, you've probably just jinxed yourself. 
Yesterday's team training ride
8 flats total (3 were me)
1 broken chain (not me)
Lots of rain and standing water
I'm back to a frame pump and two spare tubes until my luck changes




