Will I regret getting a hybrid instead of a road bike?
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This is a *much* better idea. I went from a road bikes to a hybridized mountain bike to a better road bike to a folding touring bike with H bars. I really got tired of the road bike and was happy to have a bike with a more upright position that could take fenders and racks and wider tires. This is very much a matter of personal preference...and until you've figured out what your preference is, precisely, you should be leery of spending too much on a particular style of bike.
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as far as walking the dog i agree it looks gimicky!
I use a 10 ft lead with a slip end (think Dog Whisperer)
IMHO i need the lead to control him there are times I have to reel him in....
and there are times I need to show him the turn... the fun part has been teaching my 7 year old how to steer a French Bulldog... he can do it but the dog often has ideas of his own... Vinny's (the Frenchie) favourite is a midnight run... no lead nothing he just follows...
as far as the bike get what you want...
i think you have set your initial price TOO HIGH... get something cheaper so when you do get bit it doesnt cost another 3 grand to get road bikes...
I use a 10 ft lead with a slip end (think Dog Whisperer)
IMHO i need the lead to control him there are times I have to reel him in....
and there are times I need to show him the turn... the fun part has been teaching my 7 year old how to steer a French Bulldog... he can do it but the dog often has ideas of his own... Vinny's (the Frenchie) favourite is a midnight run... no lead nothing he just follows...
as far as the bike get what you want...
i think you have set your initial price TOO HIGH... get something cheaper so when you do get bit it doesnt cost another 3 grand to get road bikes...
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you will actually get a more unbiased opinion in the commuter forum on the types of bikes your looking at then you will here. I would rather see you on something you really want then pushed 1 way or the other by some of the prejudicial opinions I see displayed here on your question. The commuter forum uses a wider range of bicycles with great success & doesn't hold to any specific kind of bike. The opinions will be more accurate without the attitude.
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I rode Mountain bikes for 16years and so a similar upright position to a road bike.
However 3 years ago I went road and got an OCR3 to see what riding with my head between my knees was all about. I admit that I bought too cheap and had to upgrade the wheels fairly quickly to be able to get a decent ride. I had no problems in changing over to the road bike- but did have a problem in getting down into the drops. Top of the flats and on the hoods was comfortable and offered a few different hand positions but getting into the drop position hurt after about 20 seconds. So 6 months after getting the bike and I practiced getting low. Just a few occasions on each ride but longer each time. Still took a month or so before I was comfortable and I still do not use the drop position that often. Downhills- into a headwind or if I require a bit of speed to catch the riders in front.
But That drop position no longer feels awkward- no longer hurts and definitely has its uses.
Only you can tell if a hybrid is the bike for you- but from my experience- the bike that works on the road is a road bike with drop handlebars. There are too many occasions when riding upright- as you would be with flat bars- does not work well enough.
However 3 years ago I went road and got an OCR3 to see what riding with my head between my knees was all about. I admit that I bought too cheap and had to upgrade the wheels fairly quickly to be able to get a decent ride. I had no problems in changing over to the road bike- but did have a problem in getting down into the drops. Top of the flats and on the hoods was comfortable and offered a few different hand positions but getting into the drop position hurt after about 20 seconds. So 6 months after getting the bike and I practiced getting low. Just a few occasions on each ride but longer each time. Still took a month or so before I was comfortable and I still do not use the drop position that often. Downhills- into a headwind or if I require a bit of speed to catch the riders in front.
But That drop position no longer feels awkward- no longer hurts and definitely has its uses.
Only you can tell if a hybrid is the bike for you- but from my experience- the bike that works on the road is a road bike with drop handlebars. There are too many occasions when riding upright- as you would be with flat bars- does not work well enough.
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You might be better off. People who ride longer distances (racing or not) tend to use dropped bars.
Note that most people generally ride the dropped bars with their hands on the "trunks" of the brake levers (called the "hoods").
Honestly, you aren't going to make a big mistake with the Quick. If you want a flat handle bar bike, it's a good choice. The Quick isn't going to be substantially slower than a dropped bar bike.
Note that you might not want a real "racing" bike.
Note that most people generally ride the dropped bars with their hands on the "trunks" of the brake levers (called the "hoods").
Honestly, you aren't going to make a big mistake with the Quick. If you want a flat handle bar bike, it's a good choice. The Quick isn't going to be substantially slower than a dropped bar bike.
Note that you might not want a real "racing" bike.
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to be honest you can buy a performance Hybrid from $500 to $1500 or more if you want to go carbon. The advantage over Hybrids is the ability to use fenders, racks, Painers, trunk bags The advantage of a flat bar is stability. I personal run areo bars with great success maxing out my speed & maintain the ability to power up hills. Ultimately you really have to ask yourself what the entire field of use your asking out of your bike. Personal I would go for 2 $600 bikes and drag your wife with you & bike together. Your more likely to stick with it if you do it together.
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So your 20 hours are just about up.
What did you get?
What did you get?
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I know a lady who does fine riding 70 miles on an inexpensive hybrid.
The thing about the handle bars is that, most of the time, most people ride, on the "hoods" and not in the "drops". So having drop handle bars is not as big a deal was it appears to be. A drop handle bar gives you several different hand positions and on long rides it is good to move your hands around to keep from cramping.
The road bike has a lighter build, it is quicker and more responsive than a hybrid. I ride a road bike.
But as I have said, some people really like their hybrids.
Having said that, when I started cycling, hybrids did not exist. It was road bikes or pretty much nothin. Like you, I was intimidated by the drop handle bars but I adjusted to them very fast. It only takes about one ride to do so.
The thing about the handle bars is that, most of the time, most people ride, on the "hoods" and not in the "drops". So having drop handle bars is not as big a deal was it appears to be. A drop handle bar gives you several different hand positions and on long rides it is good to move your hands around to keep from cramping.
The road bike has a lighter build, it is quicker and more responsive than a hybrid. I ride a road bike.
But as I have said, some people really like their hybrids.
Having said that, when I started cycling, hybrids did not exist. It was road bikes or pretty much nothin. Like you, I was intimidated by the drop handle bars but I adjusted to them very fast. It only takes about one ride to do so.
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Sounds like some people have too strict of a definition of hybrid.
A definition based on what the sales literature says rather than the historic "in between a mountain bike and a racing bike"
If you define too tightly, then we need to know:
What width of tires is the cutoff between flat bar road bike and hybrid?
How much rise is allowed on the bar?
Is there a difference in stems? Other components?
What characteristics of the frame are required for each category?
And I could keep going...
In my opinion, stopping the narrowing of the definition of hybrid makes sense... but I know many will continue to drink the marketing kool-aid.
And to the OP... I agree with many here, it really comes down to your intended usage. However, if you have made the decision by how the bikes look on paper, do yourself a favor and test ride a variety of bikes. That will tell you more than any features list.
Also, you should get marginally better components on a hybrid because one of the things that makes a drop bar road bike expensive is the brifters... Since you won't have that issue on a flat bar road bike, you should get better components elsewhere on the bike and/or a better frame.
And for the gearing, I didn't check the specific tire size on that bike, but a 48x11 at 80 rpm with 700x28 tires should get you to almost 28 miles per hour... If you can ride that fast on flat roads, then you are doing real well... If you go faster than that down hill, then stop pedaling get tucked into a somewhat aero position and coast.
A definition based on what the sales literature says rather than the historic "in between a mountain bike and a racing bike"
If you define too tightly, then we need to know:
What width of tires is the cutoff between flat bar road bike and hybrid?
How much rise is allowed on the bar?
Is there a difference in stems? Other components?
What characteristics of the frame are required for each category?
And I could keep going...
In my opinion, stopping the narrowing of the definition of hybrid makes sense... but I know many will continue to drink the marketing kool-aid.
And to the OP... I agree with many here, it really comes down to your intended usage. However, if you have made the decision by how the bikes look on paper, do yourself a favor and test ride a variety of bikes. That will tell you more than any features list.
Also, you should get marginally better components on a hybrid because one of the things that makes a drop bar road bike expensive is the brifters... Since you won't have that issue on a flat bar road bike, you should get better components elsewhere on the bike and/or a better frame.
And for the gearing, I didn't check the specific tire size on that bike, but a 48x11 at 80 rpm with 700x28 tires should get you to almost 28 miles per hour... If you can ride that fast on flat roads, then you are doing real well... If you go faster than that down hill, then stop pedaling get tucked into a somewhat aero position and coast.
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you will actually get a more unbiased opinion in the commuter forum on the types of bikes your looking at then you will here. I would rather see you on something you really want then pushed 1 way or the other by some of the prejudicial opinions I see displayed here on your question. The commuter forum uses a wider range of bicycles with great success & doesn't hold to any specific kind of bike. The opinions will be more accurate without the attitude.
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Totally...this is better than 24!
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Truthfully, there no reason you can't find one bike that will suit your needs and one that you will be happy to ride for quite a while (since you aren't taking about riding on rough paths).
I have two bicycles. One is a touring bicycle that works for gravel roads, (fairly fast) day rides, (fairly fast) centuries, and touring. The other one is a mountain bicycle for rough paths.
I would go for the Quick 3 which has a more useful gear range.
You can add bar-ends and aerobars to the flat bars.
You can change the flat bar to a Jones bar (Titec H-bar) or Trekking bar (or others) to provide multiple hand positions and utilize the existing shifters / brake levers. You could actually add trekking bars & racks to that bike and tour across the US.
Many of us here have multiple bikes but the type of bike you are looking at can do 100% of what you want to do now and serve you well into the future, even if you do at some point decide to try drop bars.
Go for it!
You can add bar-ends and aerobars to the flat bars.
You can change the flat bar to a Jones bar (Titec H-bar) or Trekking bar (or others) to provide multiple hand positions and utilize the existing shifters / brake levers. You could actually add trekking bars & racks to that bike and tour across the US.
Many of us here have multiple bikes but the type of bike you are looking at can do 100% of what you want to do now and serve you well into the future, even if you do at some point decide to try drop bars.
Go for it!
What about the 30/39/50 crank (11-26 cassette) of the Quick 2 versus the 26/36/48 (11-32) of the more economical Quick 3 for the type of riding that I'm planning to do? I may encounter some steep climbs every once in a while where I live so I'm liking the Quick 3 for that but I don't want to give up too much speed (Quick 2 also has Shimano 105 RD and lighter wheels I believe).
https://www3.cannondale.com/bikes/09/cusa/quick.html
Here are the gear numbers:
Quick 2 ($1300): 30/39/50 -> 11-26 cassette
High: 9.2 gain, 21.9 mph at 60rpm
Low: 2.3 gain, 5.6 mph
Quick 3 ($1100): 26/36/48 -> 11-26 cassette
High: 8.8 gain, 21.0mph at 60rpm
Low: 2.0 gain, 4.8mph
Quick 4 ($700): 28/38/48 -> 11-32 cassette
High: 8.8 gain, 21.0mph at 60rpm
Low: 1.8 gain, 4.2mph
My tourer: 30/39/50 -> 11-32 cassette
High: 9.5 gain, 22.8 mph at 60rpm
Next to Low: 2.2 gain, 5.2 mph
Low: 1.9 gain, 4.5 mph
The difference between the Quick 2 and the Quick 3 and 4 is one extra lower gear.
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Yes, of course, that's what the little laughing guy means.
Relax dude, this isn't the roadie forum, it's General Cycling.
Relax dude, this isn't the roadie forum, it's General Cycling.
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I'd suggest two bikes. One a cheapy, garage sale type for $20 or $60 just for "walking" the dog. Then spend as planned on a road bike. The problem is after you spend a grand on a bike you hate to stop riding it just because you enjoy riding and it's laid back settings which at first seemed "more comfortable" are now a hinderance to enjoying riding. You can ride a road bike in "comfort mode" you can not ride a hybrid on road in fun riding mode. If I had a time machine, I'ld go back and redo my purchase.
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I'd suggest two bikes. One a cheapy, garage sale type for $20 or $60 just for "walking" the dog. Then spend as planned on a road bike. The problem is after you spend a grand on a bike you hate to stop riding it just because you enjoy riding and it's laid back settings which at first seemed "more comfortable" are now a hinderance to enjoying riding. You can ride a road bike in "comfort mode" you can not ride a hybrid on road in fun riding mode. If I had a time machine, I'ld go back and redo my purchase.
Drop bars mean pain and mutilation and scandal!
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LOL, a new player just entered the game so I guess I'll need more time than the original 20 hours...
https://www.dahon.com/us/musl.htm
Reasoning: If there's a good chance that I may end up getting a road bike in the future, then a folding bike/drop bar combo makes more sense than a flat bar/drop bar combo.
Let the flaming begin!
https://www.dahon.com/us/musl.htm
Reasoning: If there's a good chance that I may end up getting a road bike in the future, then a folding bike/drop bar combo makes more sense than a flat bar/drop bar combo.
Let the flaming begin!
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I have the following:
Mountain bike with flatbars.
Hybrid with flatbars.
A road bike with drop bars.
The road bike can turn circles around the other two while they're turning circles, it's easily the most manueverable bike I've ever ridden.
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LOL, a new player just entered the game so I guess I'll need more time than the original 20 hours...
https://www.dahon.com/us/musl.htm
Reasoning: If there's a good chance that I may end up getting a road bike in the future, then a folding bike/drop bar combo makes more sense than a flat bar/drop bar combo.
Let the flaming begin!
https://www.dahon.com/us/musl.htm
Reasoning: If there's a good chance that I may end up getting a road bike in the future, then a folding bike/drop bar combo makes more sense than a flat bar/drop bar combo.
Let the flaming begin!
Current price tag on this puppy is $1275 plus tax & free shipping in the lower 48, It is always the wife that is the biggest obstacle
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Look at the bikes section of Craigslist.org, you'd be amazed at what you can find locally just by visiting thrift stores. You might find you prefer vintage cycles to newer ones, and try many different styles that others have decided they no longer wanted (and save a ton of $$$ towards what you eventually find you enjoy).
I <3 all my bikes, and always looking to add (despite the beating my wife wants to give me for every one I bring home).
P.S. I admit it I have a "bicycle problem." My problem is I do not have enough room, especially when I see a classic in need of some love. When I retire, I want to be a volunteer in a bicycle shop - not the new shops, but one of the older ones that has sew ups, cleats, and various parts from yesterday laying around for someone to walk in and ask if they've got an freewheel for an old 10 speed on hand. English, french, or italian I'd say as I drag out my calipers eager to see what they might have brought in to show me.
I <3 all my bikes, and always looking to add (despite the beating my wife wants to give me for every one I bring home).
P.S. I admit it I have a "bicycle problem." My problem is I do not have enough room, especially when I see a classic in need of some love. When I retire, I want to be a volunteer in a bicycle shop - not the new shops, but one of the older ones that has sew ups, cleats, and various parts from yesterday laying around for someone to walk in and ask if they've got an freewheel for an old 10 speed on hand. English, french, or italian I'd say as I drag out my calipers eager to see what they might have brought in to show me.
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The best bike for you is the one that will get you out and riding. I have a Giant Cypress comfort hybrid and a Bianchi Premio (from Beanz and Gina) that I've hybridized. I love 'em both and happily ride 'em both.
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Anybody old enough to remember when Nike, adidas, et al. came out with "crosstrainers" in the 80s? It was supposed to be a do-it-all athletic shoe. Except that it was too heavy to run in, not enough support to play court sports, and too ugly to just walk around in.
Hybrid bikes remind me of crosstrainers.
Hybrid bikes remind me of crosstrainers.