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Old 10-03-09 | 04:52 PM
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According to Al Gore the CO2 will lead to global warming and it won't be cold anymore.
But now that we have global cooling, Al Gore changed his "stick" to "Climate Change". Ever notice how cold the CO2 cartridge and valve stem get when you inflate the tire. Seems Al Gore now blames the use of CO2 cartridges by cyclist for the current global cooling.
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Not noticably. The problem I have run into at those temps is getting everything seated and aired up in 1 shot. If you mess up the valve might be frozen, and you'll have to wait a few minutes until you can finish airing up.
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Originally Posted by CB HI
But now that we have global cooling, Al Gore changed his "stick" to "Climate Change". Ever notice how cold the CO2 cartridge and valve stem get when you inflate the tire. Seems Al Gore now blames the use of CO2 cartridges by cyclist for the current global cooling.
Keep in mind that the CO2 in those cartridges was originally removed from the atmosphere. It's patriotic to inflate your tires with CO2.
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The best thing to do is to purchase every CO2-cartridge you can. And never use them.

Failing that, taking a bit of CO2 from the atmosphere and letting it go back to the atmosphere isn't a mortal sin. Now if you were synthesizing Freon in your chemical-plant for the sole purpose of blowing up tires with - May a 1,000 Crows eat your eyeballs as you sleep.
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Old 10-05-09 | 08:24 PM
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So I'm on this dating website and get an email from Svetlana from "Pittsburgh", who writes English like a 2 year old, and doesn't think I'm going to figure out what she's up to.

I'm just sayin'... good grief.
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The best thing to do is to purchase every CO2-cartridge you can. And never use them.

Failing that, taking a bit of CO2 from the atmosphere and letting it go back to the atmosphere isn't a mortal sin. Now if you were synthesizing Freon in your chemical-plant for the sole purpose of blowing up tires with - May a 1,000 Crows eat your eyeballs as you sleep.

No no a thousand times no! The CO2 cylinder factory used fossil fuel to make and pack that cylinder. I'll wager the CO2 itself comes from burning carbon fuel to get a CO2 rich stream to feed the compressor train (or whatever) that condenses it.

Go Green (TM) . Use renewable energy to inflate your tires! Get one of these (crosses fingers hoping a deep link will work).

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Don't you guys know that trees need CO2 to grow big and strong. You guys are just a bunch of tree haters.

Free the CO2.
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Don't you guys know that trees need CO2 to grow big and strong. You guys are just a bunch of tree haters.

Free the CO2.
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Don't you guys know that trees need CO2 to grow big and strong. You guys are just a bunch of tree haters.

Free the CO2.
Not to worry. All of that CO2 that the trees use during their lifespan to grow big and strong will be released back into the atmosphere when they die and decompose.
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I'll wager the CO2 itself comes from burning carbon fuel to get a CO2 rich stream to feed the compressor train (or whatever) that condenses it.
I honestly don't know for sure but I might take that bet. One of the clients that I used to service was Linde Air in NW Indiana. Their primary product was oxygen for the steel mills which they removed from the atmosphere. All of the other gasses they sold were essentially bi-products.

If that's still the case (and given the state of the US steel industry it might not be), it's either package that CO2 to sell or vent it back into the atmosphere.
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Old 10-11-09 | 06:29 AM
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I honestly don't know for sure but I might take that bet. One of the clients that I used to service was Linde Air in NW Indiana. Their primary product was oxygen for the steel mills which they removed from the atmosphere. All of the other gasses they sold were essentially bi-products.

If that's still the case (and given the state of the US steel industry it might not be), it's either package that CO2 to sell or vent it back into the atmosphere.
There is too little CO2 in the air (390 ppm, 0.03 %) to make air distillation worthwhile, given all the other cheaper ways to get a much more concentrated gas stream. The air distillation plants produce nitrogen, oxygen, and argon, with argon being the 3rd most concentrated gas in air at about 1%. The water vapor and carbon dioxide are removed before the dry air is sent to the distillation units, maybe because they'd freeze the units and/or end up as contaminants in the products. The removal process may result in a side product stream that's still nowhere near as concentrated in CO2 as when, say, burning fuel in air.

Here's Wikipedia, citing the Kirk-Othmer Encyclopedia of Chemical Technology -
Industrial production

Carbon dioxide is produced mainly from six processes:
1. From combustion of fossil fuels and wood;
2. As a by-product of hydrogen production plants, where methane is converted to CO2;
3. As a by-product of fermentation of sugar in the brewing of beer, whisky and other alcoholic beverages;
4. From thermal decomposition of limestone, CaCO3, in the manufacture of lime, CaO;
5. As a by-product of sodium phosphate manufacture;
6. Directly from natural carbon dioxide springs, where it is produced by the action of acidified water on limestone or dolomite.
Does this 'win'?

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Old 10-11-09 | 06:33 AM
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You lost me after (390 ppm, 0.03 %), so it wins.
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