day light savings
11-10-09 | 05:31 PM
#26
Prefers Cicero
Joined: Jul 2005
Posts: 12,860
Likes: 146
From: Toronto
Bikes: 1984 Trek 520; 2007 Bike Friday NWT; misc others
11-10-09 | 05:41 PM
#27
"Florida Man"
Joined: Mar 2008
Posts: 1,668
Likes: 2,586
From: East Florida
Bikes: '16 Bob Jackson rando, '66 Raleigh Superbe, 80 Nishiki Maxima, 07 Gary Fisher Utopia, 09 Surly LHT
__________________
Campione Del Mondo Immaginario
Campione Del Mondo Immaginario
11-10-09 | 06:43 PM
#28
Senior Member
Joined: Mar 2003
Posts: 8,521
Likes: 2
From: Beaufort, South Carolina, USA and surrounding islands.
Bikes: Cannondale R500, Motobecane Messenger
Dan - this is a common and widely held misperception. Because we are saving daylight in the winter, we have more of it to distribute during summer -- well, actually the distribution begins in the spring (when we go on standard time) and goes through fall (when we go back to saving daylight).
The other factor, which doesn't have as great an impact as daylight savings, is that in the summer the sun moves closer to the Earth. Because of this the light from the sun reaches us more quickly -- i.e. - earlier -- thereby making the days longer in the summer.
One other thing to point out is that at extreme latitudes the effect of daylight savings is compounded because the curvature of the earth diminishes near the poles. The DST affect is raised by the latitude exponent. So near the arctic circle, there is almost constant night in the winter, and the opposite in the summer.
The other factor, which doesn't have as great an impact as daylight savings, is that in the summer the sun moves closer to the Earth. Because of this the light from the sun reaches us more quickly -- i.e. - earlier -- thereby making the days longer in the summer.
One other thing to point out is that at extreme latitudes the effect of daylight savings is compounded because the curvature of the earth diminishes near the poles. The DST affect is raised by the latitude exponent. So near the arctic circle, there is almost constant night in the winter, and the opposite in the summer.
Time to move to Foo.
11-10-09 | 10:33 PM
#31
Banned
Joined: Jun 2009
Posts: 4,787
Likes: 3
billy, throw that one back... the bait was too easy.
DieselDan, hope that hook wound in your gums heals fast.
LOL!!!
This thread makes DST just a LITTLE BIT easier to take. Still useless, though, another take on man trying to be Almighty....
DieselDan, hope that hook wound in your gums heals fast.
LOL!!!
This thread makes DST just a LITTLE BIT easier to take. Still useless, though, another take on man trying to be Almighty....
11-11-09 | 01:17 AM
#32
Every lane is a bike lane
Joined: Apr 2000
Posts: 9,666
Likes: 16
From: Gold Coast, Queensland, Australia - passionfruit capital of the universe!
Well, I live in a state that doesn't have DST (despite several government attempts to introduce it). I grew up in a state that had DST which was pretty much universally despised by everyone. I'm still wondering why the current government there doesn't try to repeal it -- since that represents about their only chance to survive the next election.
I just visited a state where the government is now in it's 7th attempt to foist DST on the population there (the previous 6 were defeated after the people there threatened to riot).
Can anyone tell me why they do this again?
I just visited a state where the government is now in it's 7th attempt to foist DST on the population there (the previous 6 were defeated after the people there threatened to riot).
Can anyone tell me why they do this again?
__________________
I am clinically insane. I am proud of it.
That is all.
I am clinically insane. I am proud of it.
That is all.
11-11-09 | 01:18 AM
#33
Every lane is a bike lane
Joined: Apr 2000
Posts: 9,666
Likes: 16
From: Gold Coast, Queensland, Australia - passionfruit capital of the universe!
11-11-09 | 08:20 AM
#36
Pedaled too far.
Joined: Oct 2005
Posts: 12,851
Likes: 9
From: La Petite Roche
__________________
"He who serves all, best serves himself" Jack London
11-11-09 | 08:32 AM
#37
Pedaled too far.
Joined: Oct 2005
Posts: 12,851
Likes: 9
From: La Petite Roche
Here's an interesting study of DST. They concluded...
"In conclusion, we find that the longstanding rationale for DST is questionable, and if
anything, the policy seems to have the opposite of its intended effect."
www2.bren.ucsb.edu/~kotchen/links/DSTpaper.pdf
"In conclusion, we find that the longstanding rationale for DST is questionable, and if
anything, the policy seems to have the opposite of its intended effect."
www2.bren.ucsb.edu/~kotchen/links/DSTpaper.pdf
__________________
"He who serves all, best serves himself" Jack London
11-11-09 | 10:24 AM
#38
Senior Member
Joined: Mar 2003
Posts: 8,521
Likes: 2
From: Beaufort, South Carolina, USA and surrounding islands.
Bikes: Cannondale R500, Motobecane Messenger
You simply fail.
11-11-09 | 03:57 PM
#39
Senior Member
Joined: May 2009
Posts: 4,243
Likes: 49
I can't believe how many bad answers there are here.
Daylight savings time was created to do just what the name implies -- save up daylight during the winter hours when people aren't outside as much, so that there is more daylight to use in the summertime when kids are out of school and everyone is outside doing things.
If there were no daylight savings time, the daylight/night time hours would be the same all year, except on leap years. By storing daylight during the winter, it allows us to have more daylight hours during the summer, when the stored daylight is released.
There are a few other benefits to DST. 1 - the longer nights provide better snowmaking conditions, so that areas that wouldn't normally be able to have skiing can. North Carolina for example. Without DST, there would be no skiing in NC. 2 - winter passes more quickly since there are more night time hours when people are sleepoing. 3 - farmers do not have to use as much energy to keep their milk cold, because the cows are not absorbing as much sunlight during the day so their internal temperature is lower. During winter, the milk comes out of the udders closer to proper storage/drinking temperature.
I hope this has helped clear up some misconceptions.
Daylight savings time was created to do just what the name implies -- save up daylight during the winter hours when people aren't outside as much, so that there is more daylight to use in the summertime when kids are out of school and everyone is outside doing things.
If there were no daylight savings time, the daylight/night time hours would be the same all year, except on leap years. By storing daylight during the winter, it allows us to have more daylight hours during the summer, when the stored daylight is released.
There are a few other benefits to DST. 1 - the longer nights provide better snowmaking conditions, so that areas that wouldn't normally be able to have skiing can. North Carolina for example. Without DST, there would be no skiing in NC. 2 - winter passes more quickly since there are more night time hours when people are sleepoing. 3 - farmers do not have to use as much energy to keep their milk cold, because the cows are not absorbing as much sunlight during the day so their internal temperature is lower. During winter, the milk comes out of the udders closer to proper storage/drinking temperature.
I hope this has helped clear up some misconceptions.
Buahahaha
11-11-09 | 04:00 PM
#40
Guest
Posts: n/a
11-11-09 | 04:02 PM
#41
Guest
Posts: n/a
Win.
11-11-09 | 04:15 PM
#42
Pedaled too far.
Joined: Oct 2005
Posts: 12,851
Likes: 9
From: La Petite Roche
The ironic thing is that according to the wikipedia link provided by dynodonn, Franklin was actually proposing the idea satirically because the French, in his opinion, didn't seem to be able to get out of bed early enough to suit his tastes. So if the French can't get out of bed early enough, lets turn the clocks back so it will seem as though they do. A modest proposal to be sure.
__________________
"He who serves all, best serves himself" Jack London
11-11-09 | 04:19 PM
#43
"Florida Man"
Joined: Mar 2008
Posts: 1,668
Likes: 2,586
From: East Florida
Bikes: '16 Bob Jackson rando, '66 Raleigh Superbe, 80 Nishiki Maxima, 07 Gary Fisher Utopia, 09 Surly LHT
Billy, I'm not sure what you got me on, but maybe you did. My post was only to show my surprise at the people who did not see the toungue in cheek factor in the letter, and in your earlier posts. I could have been more clear, but, like the letter, and your prior posts, I thought it was obvious.
__________________
Campione Del Mondo Immaginario
Campione Del Mondo Immaginario
11-11-09 | 08:02 PM
#44
Guest
Posts: n/a
Billy, I'm not sure what you got me on, but maybe you did. My post was only to show my surprise at the people who did not see the toungue in cheek factor in the letter, and in your earlier posts. I could have been more clear, but, like the letter, and your prior posts, I thought it was obvious.
11-12-09 | 01:30 AM
#45
Gear Hub fan
Joined: Nov 2008
Posts: 2,829
Likes: 2
From: Reno, NV
Bikes: Civia Hyland Rohloff, Swobo Dixon, Colnago, Univega
There was a lot of criticism when time zones were introduced at the urging of the railroads to increase safety. It actually had a purpose which could be understood as prior to that, with every town having its own clock time, scheduling of trains was a nightmare. Some ministers declared that it was messing with God's time though and opposed it from the pulpit.
It seems like most urban folks prefer, or at least accept, so called daylight savings time while farmers and rural populations do not care for it.
It seems like most urban folks prefer, or at least accept, so called daylight savings time while farmers and rural populations do not care for it.
__________________
Gear Hubs Owned: Rohloff disc brake, SRAM iM9 disc brake, SRAM P5 freewheel, Sachs Torpedo 3 speed freewheel, NuVinci CVT, Shimano Alfine SG S-501, Sturmey Archer S5-2 Alloy. Other: 83 Colnago Super Record, Univega Via De Oro
Visit and join the Yahoo Geared Hub Bikes group for support and links.
https://groups.yahoo.com/group/Geared_hub_bikes/
Gear Hubs Owned: Rohloff disc brake, SRAM iM9 disc brake, SRAM P5 freewheel, Sachs Torpedo 3 speed freewheel, NuVinci CVT, Shimano Alfine SG S-501, Sturmey Archer S5-2 Alloy. Other: 83 Colnago Super Record, Univega Via De Oro
Visit and join the Yahoo Geared Hub Bikes group for support and links.
https://groups.yahoo.com/group/Geared_hub_bikes/
11-12-09 | 04:21 PM
#48
Prefers Cicero
Joined: Jul 2005
Posts: 12,860
Likes: 146
From: Toronto
Bikes: 1984 Trek 520; 2007 Bike Friday NWT; misc others
11-23-09 | 07:19 AM
#50
cyclepath
Joined: Sep 2005
Posts: 3,550
Likes: 1
From: "The Last Best Place"
Bikes: 2005 Trek Pilot 5.0, 2001 Specialized Sirrus Pro, Kona Lava Dome, Raleigh hardtail converted to commuter, 87 Takara steel road bike, 2008 Trek Soho
Don't do this kid's homework for him!! He should be perfectly capable of researching it himself.
Here's a place to start ...
https://www.google.com.au/
And if you can't find answers there, check your local library.
Here's a place to start ...
https://www.google.com.au/
And if you can't find answers there, check your local library.
__________________
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
"Without music, life would be a mistake."
-- Friedrich Nietzsche
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
"Without music, life would be a mistake."
-- Friedrich Nietzsche
