good lock or light lock?
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Hopefully this alone would be enough to prevent theft? But even if that weren't enough I've also equipped it with a single quick release pedal (so it wouldn't be rideable without a replacement pedal...and even then probably not without practice) and it's too big to fit in a car (even with one wheel removed...and I have both wheels locked).
So no matter what kind of lock I use any potential thief would:
1. Need to do some work to make it rideable.
2. Need to either walk the bike off or stick it in a van.
3. Still end up with a one of a kind bike that'd require a lot of attention to sell...unless it were parted out with some difficulty (and even then the only common parts are literally the fork, bottom bracket, and headset).
Frankly I'm more concerned about vandalism than theft. It seems that there's a direct tradeoff between the two:
-Unusual bikes are less likely to be stolen and more likely to be vandalized because being unusual tells the vandals you care about your bike.
-Bikes parked in conspicuous areas are less likely to be stolen and more likely to be vandalized than bikes hidden in alleys because they're more likely to get the attention of vandals in conspicuous areas.
-Well locked bikes are more likely to be vandalized than poorly locked bikes because being well locked tells the vandals you care about your bike.
What do you think?
My daily-commute sort of bike is a folder with a chain. It gets folded up and comes in with me and when it can't it gets folded up and hidden and locked behind a dumpster or a bush (can't do that with a u-lock!).
Last edited by chucky; 03-06-11 at 12:57 PM.
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There ya go... In my 40+ years in police work, I have never even heard of anyone stealing a 'bent. Thieves are not (generally) bicyclists, they are crack addicts. They want quick money so they can go out and buy another rock or two.
The pawn shop owner wouldn't want one; it'd sit on his showroom floor for eternity. And your crack dealer wouldn't either; he'd never be able to sell the thing.
The pawn shop owner wouldn't want one; it'd sit on his showroom floor for eternity. And your crack dealer wouldn't either; he'd never be able to sell the thing.
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It's true that heavy-duty tools will defeat even the best locks, but at the expense of noise and attention-grabbing ruckus. An angle grinder is noisy and throws a lot of sparks. If the bike is in an easily-observable public area, this is not going to be a prime tool for the thief..
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Chucky, how obvious is it that the lightweight is aluminum, do ya tink? Especially if you get in black and remove decal, if you can. Can you? They shouldn't use a round key, as that alone may attract marguinally knowledgeable crooks. We need a rich guy to get an old steel frame and try and break that lock with leverage. So it's been a year. what did you do?
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The truth is that the first lock that you put on your bike, regardless of how cheesy, is about 90% effective because it makes it necessary for the thief to use a tool to break it.
As you go from 90% effective to 99% effective you engage in a progressively heavier and more expensive, high tech contest which you will ultimately lose. There is no 100% effective lock.
As you go from 90% effective to 99% effective you engage in a progressively heavier and more expensive, high tech contest which you will ultimately lose. There is no 100% effective lock.
I figure there are three basic types of thieves:
1) Opportunists. They see a bike that's not locked to anything, grab it, and either ride away or throw it in a vehicle and drive away. Virtually any lock that attaches the bike to an object will defeat these guys.
2) Casual/amateur thieves. They've got a set of bolt cutters, so they can go through cables and other weaker locks, but aren't going to bother with a heavy-duty U-lock. Even if they do, they probably aren't going to get very far.
3) Serious/professional thieves. These are the guys with axle grinders, heavy-duty bolt cutters, bottle jacks, and entire toolsets. If they decide they want your bike, they will get it or the parts off of it.
Really, security is about making your bike look less appealing and more trouble than the bike next to it (or down the block, or whatever). Choosing a lock that does that depends on having some idea of the type of thieves you get in your area. Where I am, the vast majority are category 1 and 2 thieves. A heavy Kryptonite U-lock and a secondary cable lock are very effective at deterring them. Even just the U-lock is typically sufficient.
1) Opportunists. They see a bike that's not locked to anything, grab it, and either ride away or throw it in a vehicle and drive away. Virtually any lock that attaches the bike to an object will defeat these guys.
2) Casual/amateur thieves. They've got a set of bolt cutters, so they can go through cables and other weaker locks, but aren't going to bother with a heavy-duty U-lock. Even if they do, they probably aren't going to get very far.
3) Serious/professional thieves. These are the guys with axle grinders, heavy-duty bolt cutters, bottle jacks, and entire toolsets. If they decide they want your bike, they will get it or the parts off of it.
Really, security is about making your bike look less appealing and more trouble than the bike next to it (or down the block, or whatever). Choosing a lock that does that depends on having some idea of the type of thieves you get in your area. Where I am, the vast majority are category 1 and 2 thieves. A heavy Kryptonite U-lock and a secondary cable lock are very effective at deterring them. Even just the U-lock is typically sufficient.
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