njkayaker

I realize it varies. It's just that no one can tell if you are talking about total daily distance.

??? 30 km (your upper distance) is a short single ride.

??? While it isn't sedentary, it's not exactly "physical" labor.

What matters is the total amount of calories you consume. Not the calorie/ml.

Oy. Some juices are created by blending. Many others are created by pressing.

The problem is two-fold: one is that the fruit juices are filtered (removing some of the fiber) and people can consume higher amounts of calories because the juice removes the bulk. Orange juice is marketed as "natural" but it's highly processed.

The value of eating whole fruit is that it is necessarily fresher (unlike juice that can be stored for many months) and because you can't eat huge quantities of it quickly, it moderates the rate at which sugar is consumed.

And, in those "many countries", your consumption of 3 liters of juice would be seen as quite excessive!

No, "hydration" drinks are mostly to make money. "Vitamin water" is a complete crock.

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This.

chipcom 

point is, many can't tell the difference between an expensive bike and a cheap bike. You could paint a big wheel all nice and purdy and someone would think it was worth something...or you could have a 2k bike that looks like a cheap POS to someone who doesn't know any better. The cost of the bike is irrelevant unless YOU make it relevant by making it look worth stealing...for cash or just a joy ride.

cyccommute 

Not to mention that if you were driving the equivalent level of car, you'd be looking north of Mercedes class.

oneofpr

Cycling price is whatever the customer will pay.

My wife bought the other a Coach purse, $450.00, I was like What!? Where is the gold, and for sure must be Wifi and have an integrated GPS or something...

So then I decided to enter into 1/8 On-Road Nitro cars, nice and seems a cool hobby, and must be cheaper than cycling. Go to the hobby shop and ask for the best engine that will smoke the competition. The guy goes to the back, takes a while and then walks back carrying in his hand a small box no bigger than a wristwatch box. "Here sir will smoke the competition, and it is only $460.00 with tuned carb"





I was like, wait you got be kidding, inside that little box a 1hp engine costs 400, and then he starts explaining how it revs and keeps the powerband and the usual marketing deal, etc.

I will move on to another sport, lets go with airgun competition. Again go to the shops, check online and finally found one to be the best of the best. I can go out in the field, do small gaming etc.




$599.00 on clearance! a pellet air rifle...

Ah, and what about digital cameras? Well, anyway you got the picture.

It is what it is, which is way over priced, over-rated, over-layered with marketing and fancy catchy words.

Hold on, I went to a surf shop and wanted some cool shorts to "chill" and exhibit this amazing body, the result of hammering the pedals, lol, anyway the shorts I liked some OP (suppose to be good) cost $70.00. Lets get some nice "cool" sunglasses to give my eyes the best protection, around $120.00!!!

Went to visit my parents and my mom's last acquisition is a Bulgari watch:



Bought it for $4,000! Its ok because its part of the Diagono "collection".

Yes, everything is out of control.

cyccommute 

Here we go again "Sugar" is a common name for monosaccharides, disaccharides and oligosaccharides. They don't have to be in a crystalline form to be a "sugar". In solution, they aren't crystalline - nor can they be - yet they are still sugars. Blood sugar (glucose), fruit sugar (fructose), milk sugar (lactose), cane sugar (sucrose), cellobiose (enzymatic hydroylsis product of cellulose), etc. are all "sugars" but aren't solids. You can make them solid through various, laborious procedures but they aren't naturally crystalline.

Burton

LOL Finally! A poster that shows some insight into the human condition! People aren`t exactly practical by nature about anything they have any real interest in. Its called passion - any some posters here have probably been so busy being frugal and practial all their lives that they don`t have a clue what it means - unless they do an Internet search or look it up in the dictionary.

And just to show you that everyone can have an expensive bike - Montreal residents have been asked (or rather told) to pick up the deficit tab for the companies operating the Bixi bikes around the city. To the tune of millions of dollars! Apparently each one of those specially designed ugly little Bixi things cost over $7,000CDN. And they aren`t even performance bikes! So now taxpayers around the city get to both pay for something they can`t actually bring home - but they get to still pay again every time they actually want to use them! Who invented politicians anyway?

So are all posters on this board cheap boring people in real life? Doesn`t anyone have the guts to state they actually spend more on their bike then they have to?

Had a young gentleman buy a bike the other day for his girlfriend - it was her birthday and he let her pick the bike. He just picked up the tab - about $900. People spend their money on things they feel are important - according to this gentleman- they had a relationship he considered priceless. Bicycles aside - I think those two at least are enjoying life.

Burton

This topic wasn`t posted under `Training and Nutrition` and as I stated previously - wasnlt meant to be taken seriously. So since you can`t quite seem to grasp that - I`m adding you to my ignore list before you bore me to death!

dynodonn 

Bikes are definitely cheaper than cars, $4000 gets one a really nice NEW bike and maybe some money left over for some nice gear, $4000 on average will get one a car that's been rode hard and put away wet too many times, and sporting some battle scars.

I used to drink gallons of juice a week, but all that did was cause me to sweat profusely, and to be bloated. I've since laid off the juices, and now stick to drinking water, now there's less sweat, my clothes have loosened up considerably, and I feel stronger.

beebe

Oneofpr: My initial response was going to be something along the lines of "you get what you pay for". Unfortunately, I've been sitting here at my computer reading updates while I drink Old Crow and New Amsterdam. Honestly, I like New Amsterdam as much as many other gins I've spent twice as much on, and Old Crow isn't too bad for being from the bottom shelf. Let's compromise. Often, one will find that better stuff costs more. Sometimes, one doesn't need stuff that is that good. Sometimes, producers will make a great product that doesn't cost very much. Often, however, one will find that better stuff costs more. The trick is to be smart enough of a consumer that you are eschewing the overpriced good quality stuff for the cheaper good quality stuff, and buying what is appropriate and affordable for your situation.

njkayaker

Childish, but whatever.

At least other people won't be mislead by your nonsensical statements.

chipcom 

You really gotta quit boring the FNGs...I think you need some glamor shots, like mine.

stonefree

The current cycling craze is a reaction to the transportation hegemony imposed by big corporations to a certain extent, and also the first wave riding the crest of sustainability that everyone knows is coming, but are just too stubborn to admit it. Some other corporations are taking advantage of it by offering up mass produced high end bicycles at inflated prices with many apparently new design features intended to justify such prices, but in reality are nothing more than variations on the same basic theme, hence the big bike superstores springing up filled with very expensive bicycles. This bubble will burst eventually when market saturation is reached and we'll be awash in bicycles of all varying qualities of construction. Some of the indications are huge individual vintage bike collections and the availability of 10-20year old lightweight racing bikes for next to nothing prices. I've seen thrift shops full of old bicycles, just like I've seen acres of high end bikes. The absurd term of "starter" bike is being thrown around now to indicate a sub 'X monetary amount' bicycle, but has no real objective definition or one that can be argued about endlessly. I've seen a similar phenomena happening in other sports categories like surfing and kayacking, however the former has already peaked and is now dropping and the latter is still peaking, both caused partially by the baby boomer bump in purchasing power and the advent of low cost global manufacturing among other reasons, not the least of which would be the aging of the boomer generation and it's accompanying leisure time activities. We live in interesting times. Gotta go ride now.

dougmc

Wow, man. Just ... wow.

chipcom 

shh, don't spoil it for me...I'm still trying to decipher the words over 5 letters.

DataJunkie

Once you figure it out please send me the cliff notes version.

kevin_stevens

If it makes you feel better, until gas hit $3.50/gallon I was paying more per mile in TIRES than in gas on my sport bike (motorcycle). 3K miles on $3C tires...

KeS

fishymamba

A great car tire can cost over $10000

dougmc

Of course, $50 only gets you a good bicycle tire. If you're looking for great, you could be paying a lot more.

Though there are plenty of good bicycle tires for less too.

tagaproject6

Okay, so being that English is not my native tongue, let me get this straight:
All bikes are the same.
Prices are dictated by greedy corporations and give them fancy names to jack up the price.
Bubbles go "KAPOW!"
When there are too many bicycles...we'll have plenty of bicycles.
You see a sign of real old bikes for cheap.
You go to the goodwill stores a lot and they have plenty of old crap.
You see a farm planting expensive bikes.
Buying an entry level bike is stupid for stupid people because it means nothing.
You like other sports like kayaking and surfing.
Old people have money and spends money and go on lots of vacations.
Bikes can be made cheaply from all over the world.
You are interested.
You are riding now.

Gotcha!

contango 

Maybe in Houston that works. I cycle because I like cycling. Nothing to do with transport hegemonies, market saturation, marketing exercises or any other phenomena. Just the fact that I get on my bike, I turn the pedals, I feel good. Simple as that.

Burton

LOL Good for you! Independent action is a sure sign of intelligent life- no need to overanalyze everything. And your cartoon also confirms you have a sense of humor. Thanks - you made my day!

beebe

aaaaaaaaaaaHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

This guy! Watch out for this guy. Oh you. youuuuu.

tadawdy

I know you said English is not your native language, but this made me laugh.

LesterOfPuppets

Anyone looking for awesome tires, these tubulars are on quite a sale, only $300 a pair. I reckon they didn't get many takers at $500 a pair.

https://www.eriksbikeshop.com/Pro-Tou...res-Pair700x22

wahoonc

Sell this one to Cliff Notes...NOW!

Aaron