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gecho 06-28-12 08:10 PM

So your beef is that they prevented you from getting to a red light more quickly?

mymojo 06-28-12 08:32 PM

Just for perspective, 1/8th of a mile is roughly 600 ft.

I can see how that is a pretty terrible inconvenience. My guess is that if those frigging' roadies hadn't taken the lane, the OP likely could have punched it and made it through that equally inconvenient red light while it was still yellow.

no1mad 06-28-12 08:38 PM

Perhaps those riders would've been more respectful if the OP was in full kit while astride a Team Issue <insert name of whatever you roadies lust after here>?

ahsposo 06-28-12 08:56 PM


Originally Posted by mulveyr (Post 14418959)
Posts like this often make me wonder if someone has taken over a BF account and is trolling...

No I can sort of vouch for this. Check out the Southeast Regional sub-forum. Guy's a trail rider and likes to ride. Just started barking up the wrong tree here is all.

ahsposo 06-28-12 08:57 PM


Originally Posted by no1mad (Post 14419117)
Perhaps those riders would've been more respectful if the OP was in full kit while astride a Team Issue <insert name of whatever you roadies lust after here>?

In his SUV?

JanMM 06-28-12 09:01 PM

Maybe there's more to the story than can be seen in the pics. But I don't think so.

TrailViewMount 06-28-12 09:13 PM

For the record I'll ask a cop what the law and procedure dictates when they see bicyclists riding in car lanes. The answer could be interesting. I knew these photos would be gold for me. Thanks for seeing everyone. Good luck.

lucille 06-28-12 09:17 PM


Originally Posted by not_me (Post 14418735)
In Ontario it's illegal to for cyclists to ride in pedestrian crosswalks. The way these guys are riding is the safest and most legal way. OP, I suggest you learn the rules of the road. I'd expect a "senior member" of a biking forum to be a bit more familiar with how to ride a bike.

You get a "senior member" label after 50 posts, so it's like a chatty weekend and you're there, doesn't really mean a lot ;)

lucille 06-28-12 09:22 PM


Originally Posted by TrailViewMount (Post 14419248)
For the record I'll ask a cop what the law and procedure dictates when they see bicyclists riding in car lanes. The answer could be interesting. I knew these photos would be gold for me. Thanks for seeing everyone. Good luck.

I'm not a roadie, but when I commute or tour, I ride in the car lane close to the edge, if it's safe to do so. Where else?

SweetLou 06-28-12 09:26 PM


Originally Posted by TrailViewMount (Post 14419248)
For the record I'll ask a cop what the law and procedure dictates when they see bicyclists riding in car lanes. The answer could be interesting. I knew these photos would be gold for me. Thanks for seeing everyone. Good luck.

What's a "car lane"?

Spoonrobot 06-28-12 09:27 PM


Originally Posted by TrailViewMount (Post 14419248)
For the record I'll ask a cop what the law and procedure dictates when they see bicyclists riding in car lanes. The answer could be interesting. I knew these photos would be gold for me. Thanks for seeing everyone. Good luck.

How are they gold for you?

Although I suppose they did demonstrate your complete lack of knowledge about bicycle riding on the roadways in Florida so maybe what you learn is the treasure you're referencing?

FYI:

http://www.floridabicycle.org/rules/bikelaw.html


In Florida the bicycle is legally defined as a vehicle. Bicyclists have the same rights to the roadways, and must obey the same traffic laws as the operators of other vehicles. These laws include stopping for stop signs and red lights, riding with the flow of traffic, using lights at night, and yielding the right-of-way when entering a roadway.

Rx Rider 06-28-12 09:32 PM

would you rather creep 15 mph behind grandma's Buick, a gaggle of riders or my bug? if the light's red I'm not testing my brakes just to wait that much longer at a signal.

along with the duties of obeying the traffic laws comes the perks of actually being in traffic, hence the name "road bike".

CbadRider 06-28-12 09:40 PM


Originally Posted by Spoonrobot (Post 14419304)

From that link (bolding done by me).

Left Turns (see Section 316.151 (1)(b)(c), F.S.)
  • A bicyclist intending to make a vehicle left turn is entitled to full use of the lane from which the turn is made. After scanning, signaling, and moving to the center of that lane, the bicyclist must check the signal, then proceed when it is green and safe to do so.

  • In addition to the normal vehicle left turn, a bicyclist may proceed through the right-most portion of the intersection and turn as close to the curb or edge as possible at the far side. After complying with any official traffic control device, the bicyclist may proceed in the new direction.

no1mad 06-28-12 09:42 PM


Originally Posted by ahsposo (Post 14419183)
In his SUV?

Nice catch, as I thought the guy was on a bike myself (I tend to miss a bunch of visual cues).

That being said...OP must've been borderline road rage. I mean, just about everyone on these forums (even if they don't ride on the street with traffic) has heard or read of our accounts and attitudes towards distracted drivers. Yet the OP decided to find his camera and get it ready or find his phone and launch camera mode- then take the time to ensure the riders were in frame while looking at the little display, while operating a motorized vehicle??

Question- What do you think would've been the outcome if one of those cyclists had experienced a catastrophic failure like the handlebar snapping, the frame broke, or the chain broke and got tangled in the rear wheel somehow? The odds aren't good, even if he didn't hit the cyclist(s), because a) he was steering with one hand (and hopefully not with elbows/forearms) and b) wasn't doing a good job of monitoring his mirrors because he was too frackin' intent on taking pictures while he was driving <--That's what I call performing an action that distracts a person while operating a motor vehicle.

mulveyr 06-28-12 09:59 PM


Originally Posted by ahsposo (Post 14419179)
No I can sort of vouch for this. Check out the Southeast Regional sub-forum. Guy's a trail rider and likes to ride. Just started barking up the wrong tree here is all.

... And who is now posting complaints on completely unrelated videos on my YouTube channel about my BF comment...

chasm54 06-28-12 10:13 PM


Originally Posted by TrailViewMount (Post 14419248)
For the record I'll ask a cop what the law and procedure dictates when they see bicyclists riding in car lanes. The answer could be interesting. I knew these photos would be gold for me. Thanks for seeing everyone. Good luck.

Yahoos? Gold for you? The only things that are clear, here, are:

1. You have an anger management problem;

2. You have no idea how to ride a bike on the road.

Broid 06-29-12 12:02 AM


Originally Posted by Flying Merkel (Post 14418907)
I'm always leering of blocking or slowing cars. Even if I'm in the right, it can lead to bad situations.

+1

not_me 06-29-12 05:17 AM


Originally Posted by chasm54 (Post 14419441)
Yahoos? Gold for you? The only things that are clear, here, are:

1. You have an anger management problem;

2. You have no idea how to ride a bike on the road.


I feel like he didn't even read any of the responses. I'm pretty sure everyone told him he was in the wrong to be angry about a cyclist proceeding legally on the road, yet he still answered "I knew these photos would be gold for me. Thanks for seeing everyone."

chandltp 06-29-12 05:55 AM


Originally Posted by TrailViewMount (Post 14419248)
For the record I'll ask a cop what the law and procedure dictates when they see bicyclists riding in car lanes. The answer could be interesting. I knew these photos would be gold for me. Thanks for seeing everyone. Good luck.

While you're at it, ask him what he thinks about people taking pictures while operating a motor vehicle.

I've met more than a few cops that don't know how the laws pertain to bicycles.

njkayaker 06-29-12 06:32 AM


Originally Posted by TrailViewMount (Post 14419248)
For the record I'll ask a cop what the law and procedure dictates when they see bicyclists riding in car lanes. The answer could be interesting. I knew these photos would be gold for me. Thanks for seeing everyone. Good luck.

Why don't you just look up the FL bicycle law? (Cops sometimes don't quite know the law.)

http://www.dot.state.fl.us/safety/pe...bikeLaws1.shtm


A person operating a bicycle on a roadway at less than the normal speed of traffic under the conditions existing must ride in the lane marked for bicycle use or, if no lane is marked for bicycle use, as close as practicable [safe] to the roadway's right-hand curb or edge, except under any of the following situations:
  • when passing another vehicle
  • when preparing for a left turn
  • when reasonably necessary to avoid conditions including (but not limited to), a fixed or moving object, parked or moving vehicle, pedestrian, animal, or surface hazard
  • when a lane is too narrow for a bicycle and another vehicle to travel safely side by side.

Since it appears that you have no real idea how ride on the road, you might find this useful:

http://www.bikexprt.com/streetsmarts/usa/index.htm

dynodonn 06-29-12 08:00 AM

Looking at the OP's photos, it's business as usual for me, and 1/8th of a mile is a very short distance, since a stop light can delay the OP far more than cyclist ever did. As long as the OP keeps their actions to taking pictures, asking law enforcement, and venting here on BF, all is good.

I had a motorist make an asinine passing maneuver in a construction zone after we were both just shortly delayed by road construction work, endangering me and oncoming road users. Some motorists' brains pour out of their ears when there's a cyclist in front of them.

DataJunkie 06-29-12 08:28 AM

You are assuming their brains were ever engaged in the first place.

no1mad 06-29-12 09:40 AM

So the OP made a comment the the pictures would be gold for him... I wonder if he is somehow indirectly deriving revenue when the pics are clicked??

So I decided to check out the website in the OP's sig. The 'blogroll' that lists the links to other blogs is kinda odd to me. There are no other cycling related blogs- no local advocacy groups, no product/sponsors, nada. What there is, however, is a bunch of travel and tourism fluff and links to three other enterprises- photography, video production, and internet marketing- that the OP apparently also has a stake in.

Part of me is now wondering if this thread was never meant to be an honest "pardon my ignorance, but..." thread to a crafty PR one instead.

Buggington 06-29-12 10:30 AM


Originally Posted by no1mad (Post 14420866)
Part of me is now wondering if this thread was never meant to be an honest "pardon my ignorance, but..." thread to a crafty PR one instead.

Hadn't thought of that. We're all (possibly) suckers now :(

EDIT: Just seen the copyright thingies in the bottom right. Looks like we've been trolled.

ahsposo 06-29-12 11:07 AM


Originally Posted by mulveyr (Post 14419397)
... And who is now posting complaints on completely unrelated videos on my YouTube channel about my BF comment...

Oh, well. Ya just can't tell from a few ride reports, I guess.

ahsposo 06-29-12 11:12 AM


Originally Posted by chandltp (Post 14420014)
I've met more than a few cops that don't know how the laws pertain to bicycles.

Me too. I had cop try to tell me I was supposed to ride on the sidewalk not on a street that was designated as a 'Bike Route'. I made her call her supervisor and he was not pleased.

caloso 06-29-12 11:28 AM

Perhaps if the OP were to spend some more saddle time on the original paved bicycle trails, commonly known as roads, he'd have a better perspective on the matter.

eja_ bottecchia 06-29-12 11:28 AM


Originally Posted by ahsposo (Post 14421316)
Me too. I had cop try to tell me I was supposed to ride on the sidewalk not on a street that was designated as a 'Bike Route'. I made her call her supervisor and he was not pleased.

Not pleased? With her for not knowing the law? Or with you for educating the cop?

ahsposo 06-29-12 11:33 AM


Originally Posted by eja_ bottecchia (Post 14421412)
Not pleased? With her for not knowing the law? Or with you for educating the cop?

Mainly with her for not knowing the law and disturbing his afternoon nap.

no1mad 06-29-12 11:33 AM

While discussing this thread with my wife, going over the rant I went into about the whole driving while distracted thing.... I realized that if he took those pics using a smartphone with a touchscreen, he would've had to use both hands to navigate to the camera, possibly even needed both hands to aim and shoot as well.

The OP uses the internet to make a living. One would think he'd be able to do a simple search on the local traffic laws when it came to cyclists. Since the pics are copywrited, I now strongly feel that this is a blatant troll.


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