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Originally Posted by ahsposo
(Post 14421443)
...disturbing his afternoon nap.
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Best troll posting I've read in days! On any forum!
But if the OP is serious, he clearly has no comprehension of our rights to travel (for private reasons) on public roadway; and he places himself squarely into the category of "dangerous motorist". |
Originally Posted by Buggington
(Post 14421089)
Hadn't thought of that. We're all (possibly) suckers now :(
EDIT: Just seen the copyright thingies in the bottom right. Looks like we've been trolled. He has links to lots of his enterprises on the blog. OP edited his thread starter because of responses from 'angry members' |
Some of the galleries on his Facebook page are just creepy.
Weird dude. |
Bikes are doing the right thing. I fail to see why the OP got frustrated.
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Originally Posted by 009jim
(Post 14422793)
Bikes are doing the right thing. I fail to see why the OP got frustrated.
Him, not me. |
Originally Posted by no1mad
(Post 14421444)
Since the pics are copywrited, I now strongly feel that this is a blatant troll.
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Gut feeling? How many people bother to copywrite pics that they plan on posting to BF?
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At this point I'm going get on my soapbox and preach to the choir.
Cyclists have a right to the road. We don't need the privilege of a license to use the road. In any situation pedestrians rule. They can do whatever they want in the road as illegal or dangerous as it may be and it is incumbent on cyclists and motor vehicle operators to give them right of way. You cannot wantonly run them over. Bikes have a right to the road that supersedes the privilege given to motor vehicles. There are laws cyclists should obey but regardless a motor vehicle operator must yield right of way to them. Just like sailboats and oil tankers. The sailboat has right of way. Oil tankers cannot wantonly run sailboats down. So what this convoluted argument means is the smaller slower guy has the right to be there but takes his well being into jeopardy if it stupidly gets in the way of the bigger faster vehicle. |
Originally Posted by ahsposo
(Post 14422842)
At this point I'm going get on my soapbox and preach to the choir.
Cyclists have a right to the road. We don't need the privilege of a license to use the road. In any situation pedestrians rule. They can do whatever they want in the road as illegal or dangerous as it may be and it is incumbent on cyclists and motor vehicle operators to give them right of way. You cannot wantonly run them over. Bikes have a right to the road that supersedes the privilege given to motor vehicles. There are laws cyclists should obey but regardless a motor vehicle operator must yield right of way to them. Just like sailboats and oil tankers. The sailboat has right of way. Oil tankers cannot wantonly run sailboats down. So what this convoluted argument means is the smaller slower guy has the right to be there but takes his well being into jeopardy if it stupidly gets in the way of the bigger faster vehicle. |
Originally Posted by TrailViewMount
(Post 14417544)
When these bicyclists cut in front of me on 54th Avenue South in Tierre Verde Florida (in Pinellas County) on 6-28-12, I was more than a little pissed. Instead of going to the light and crossing, they rode in front of me for probably 1/8 of a mile. So when bicyclists complain about motorists giving them a hard time, well.
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Originally Posted by rebel1916
(Post 14422983)
Pretty sure you have that backwards. More maneuverable vehicle has to yield at sea. Oil tanker yields to no one cause it can't really stop or turn easily.
But I could be wrong. Just ask my wife. |
There are situations where position matters, so the upstream boat has the right of way no matter what size, but generally more maneuverable yields. As in ski boat yields to sail boat yields to ferry, yields to tanker. Just like on the road, everyone has a duty to avoid an accident, but on a huge container ship you mightn't even be able to see a sail boat from the bridge. That said, I am a rec boater and I'm sure someone with a better understanding will soon put me in my place...
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Yeah, we are both probably a bit wrong. I did some googling. No one ever actually has right of way because both captains have equal responsibilities to avoid a crash. Ship to the starboard maintains course while the other gives way. The rules I was talking about apply in rivers and other narrow channels. I love the interwebs for it's ability to let us pontificate on matters we know little about...
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I've sailed on a few rivers with a 26" sailboat. I'm pretty sure the barges coming downriver have the right of way in the channel. Possibly even the same for barges coming upriver. We always yield to them cuz we just have about 5' draft and they have much more. We don't really need the 28' deep channel water.
On my last cruise I thought for sure our gigantic cruise ship was gonna take out a sailboat in the channel @ San Diego harbor. Cap'n was REALLY laying on the horn. The way I equate that to vehicular traffic is always yield to trains when you're on the train tracks with your truck, car or bike :) |
Originally Posted by no1mad
(Post 14422832)
Gut feeling? How many people bother to copywrite pics that they plan on posting to BF?
You might be able to argue that this thread is click-bait but that wouldn't require copyright notices. Some people add copyright notices to every photo they own and post. Seattle Forest does it. http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread...n-50-mi-(pics) |
Originally Posted by ahsposo
(Post 14422842)
At this point I'm going get on my soapbox and preach to the choir.
Cyclists have a right to the road. We don't need the privilege of a license to use the road. In any situation pedestrians rule <wrong: pedestrians have legal requirements like yielding to traffic>. They can do whatever they want in the road as illegal or dangerous as it may be <wrong: pedestrians have legal requirements like yielding to traffic> and it is incumbent on cyclists and motor vehicle operators to give them right of way . You cannot wantonly run them over. <wrong: you can't willfully run collide into anything> Bikes have a right to the road that supersedes the privilege given to motor vehicles <wrong: bicyclists have no legal preference>. There are laws cyclists should obey but regardless a motor vehicle operator must yield right of way to them. <wrong: just wrong> Just like sailboats and oil tankers. The sailboat has right of way. Oil tankers cannot wantonly run sailboats down. <wrong: no operator can willfully collided with anything. Sail boats have to keep out of the way of oil tankers and kayaks have to keep out of the way of everything else > So what this convoluted argument means is the smaller slower guy has the right to be there but takes his well being into jeopardy if it stupidly gets in the way of the bigger faster vehicle. Note that all operators and pedestrians have to take action to avoid collisions (it's a practical requirement even if it is not a legal one). Thus, obviously, people would yield any right of way they have if doing so would avoid a collision.
Originally Posted by ahsposo
(Post 14423025)
No, as I understand it this is true. I've heard sailors joking about claiming right of way.
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Originally Posted by rebel1916
(Post 14423147)
There are situations where position matters, so the upstream boat has the right of way no matter what size, but generally more maneuverable yields. As in ski boat yields to sail boat yields to ferry, yields to tanker. Just like on the road, everyone has a duty to avoid an accident, but on a huge container ship you mightn't even be able to see a sail boat from the bridge. That said, I am a rec boater and I'm sure someone with a better understanding will soon put me in my place...
Originally Posted by LesterOfPuppets
(Post 14423227)
I've sailed on a few rivers with a 26" sailboat. I'm pretty sure the barges coming downriver have the right of way in the channel. Possibly even the same for barges coming upriver. We always yield to them cuz we just have about 5' draft and they have much more. We don't really need the 28' deep channel water.
On my last cruise I thought for sure our gigantic cruise ship was gonna take out a sailboat in the channel @ San Diego harbor. Cap'n was REALLY laying on the horn. The way I equate that to vehicular traffic is always yield to trains when you're on the train tracks with your truck, car or bike :) Basically, the more constrained vessel has precedence. Sailboats are a bit weird because their "engines" are external: their maneuverability is constrained because they depend on the wind (blowing in one direction at any given time). Being slow (by itself) doesn't confer any precedence. A human-powered vessel is at the bottom of the pile. |
Originally Posted by TrailViewMount
(Post 14417544)
When these bicyclists cut in front of me on 54th Avenue South in Tierre Verde Florida (in Pinellas County) on 6-28-12, I was more than a little pissed. Instead of going to the light and crossing, they rode in front of me for probably 1/8 of a mile. So when bicyclists complain about motorists giving them a hard time, well.
Oh, a sailing vessel must give way to a vessel restricted in her ability to maneuver. |
....feeling a little seasick from all this talk of boats.........................:twitchy:
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Originally Posted by ahsposo
(Post 14422842)
In any situation pedestrians rule. They can do whatever they want in the road as illegal or dangerous as it may be and it is incumbent on cyclists and motor vehicle operators to give them right of way. You cannot wantonly run them over.
Bikes have a right to the road that supersedes the privilege given to motor vehicles. There are laws cyclists should obey but regardless a motor vehicle operator must yield right of way to them. In Canada, pedestrians do seem to have the right of way. In Australia, they don't. In Taiwan it's every man for himself whatever mode of transportation you're using. |
Originally Posted by Machka
(Post 14423650)
Depends which country you're in.
In Canada, pedestrians do seem to have the right of way. In Australia, they don't. In Taiwan it's every man for himself whatever mode of transportation you're using. |
Originally Posted by lucille
(Post 14423699)
What do you mean pedestrians don't have the right of way in Australia? You just run them over???
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Originally Posted by njkayaker
(Post 14423240)
So what? What makes that trollish? You might be able to argue that this thread is click-bait but that wouldn't require copyright notices.
Some people add copyright notices to every photo they own and post. Seattle Forest does it.
Originally Posted by Machka
(Post 14423650)
Depends which country you're in.
In Canada, pedestrians do seem to have the right of way. In Australia, they don't. In Taiwan it's every man for himself whatever mode of transportation you're using. |
I have come across signs in various towns in Australia which have specifically stated that pedestrians must give way to vehicles. This is particularly so on junctions where cars may be turning left (the equivalent of turning right in North America).
And I do have to say that having visited Taiwan, while it may appear like chaos, there is a lot of respect and patience, and almost no horn-blowing, and certainly no road rage to discern... and that compares with Australia where cyclists and pedestrians are fair game and road rage has become a favourite pastime. So yes, there is a good chance a ped will be run over if they step out into traffic without taking due care to ensure there is a sufficient gap between vehicles to make it to the other side. |
Originally Posted by Machka
(Post 14423723)
Pedestrians must cross the road at a designated crossing, otherwise they can be fined. And the cars will just keep coming. I'm used to being able to step out into a street (just an ordinary road in town, not a main highway or something) and have cars stop ... like they do in Canada. But even in our very small town in Australia, as a pedestrian, I had to wait for all the cars to go before I could walk across the street or risk being hit or run over or shouted at.
Originally Posted by Rowan
(Post 14423749)
I have come across signs in various towns in Australia which have specifically stated that pedestrians must give way to vehicles. This is particularly so on junctions where cars may be turning left (the equivalent of turning right in North America).
So yes, there is a good chance a ped will be run over if they step out into traffic without taking due care to ensure there is a sufficient gap between vehicles to make it to the other side. |
Originally Posted by TrailViewMount
(Post 14419248)
For the record I'll ask a cop what the law and procedure dictates when they see bicyclists riding in car lanes. The answer could be interesting. I knew these photos would be gold for me. Thanks for seeing everyone. Good luck.
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"Is this acceptable to do on a road?"
Yes. Where else would you do it? And by "it" I mean get in the left turn lane. |
Florida Driver's Manual:
5.17 - Bicyclists In Florida, the bicycle is legally defined as a vehicle and has all of the privileges, rights and responsibilities to utilize the roadway as a motor vehicle operator does. Bicyclists on public roads (except for expressways) have the same rights and responsibilities as drivers of motorized vehicles. Respect the right-of-way of bicyclists because they are entitled to share the road with other drivers. 5.17.1 – Sharing the Road with a Bicycle Expect to find a bicyclist on all types of roads (except interstate highways), at all intersections and roundabouts, in all types of weather, and at all times of the day and night. Bicyclists may ride out in the travel lane for their own safety due to narrow roads, or to avoid obstacles or pavement hazards, or to prepare for a left turn. On roads without shoulders, or with cars parked along the right side, often the safest place for a bicyclist to ride is in the center of the lane. |
Originally Posted by ahsposo
(Post 14422804)
bikes don't belong on the road, dude.
Him, not me. |
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