Multi tool chain breakers
01-23-13 | 06:42 PM
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I agree...with a caveat. Current multitools are poorly designed and ill fitting. They just don't fit your hand all that well. I've looked at the Crank Bros above and the Topeak Alien and others but they all are cumbersome. Ritchey made the CPR-9 back in the mid 90s and although it fit your hand better, it was mostly useless because it had no leverage.
The caveat is the Cool Tool. One of the first multitools and still, in my opinion, the best. It fits your hand like a real tool. The allen wrenches come off so that they are actually useful. If you need more torque you can put the allen wrenches in the end and extend the lever arm of the tool. And the chain tool is actually robust enough to be useful. They've saved me from a hike out of the woods more than once.
The caveat is the Cool Tool. One of the first multitools and still, in my opinion, the best. It fits your hand like a real tool. The allen wrenches come off so that they are actually useful. If you need more torque you can put the allen wrenches in the end and extend the lever arm of the tool. And the chain tool is actually robust enough to be useful. They've saved me from a hike out of the woods more than once.
The chainbreaker works just fine. I think I did get one additional allen wrench for either a light mount or a rack on my Mtn bike. Otherwise it has everythign I need on the road.
01-24-13 | 09:01 AM
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I made a 'sock' for it out of an old inner tube and put the allen wrenches that weren't all that common when it came out in there with it.
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01-24-13 | 11:12 AM
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01-24-13 | 12:55 PM
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Yep. 4, 5, 6 and a Phillips screw driver. They show up on Fleabay occasionally. I wish someone still made them.
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01-24-13 | 01:44 PM
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Yup. For those who do not have one look carefully at teh allen wrenches, each serves as 2. Designed for function, not to look 'cool'.
01-24-13 | 02:06 PM
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Has anyone been successful with using the TINY chain breaker that comes with many multi tools? I haven't and I want to say it's a useless piece of metal. I need some LEVERAGE! I also feel that many bike multi tools come with a plethora of other useless hex keys, anyone else agree?
01-24-13 | 02:15 PM
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Here are some more pictures (of other pieces to it).
https://forum.multitool.org/index.php?topic=4956.60
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01-24-13 | 03:21 PM
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Ain't that the shizzle. I've never seen one. I wonder if the wrench is flat enough to be usable on the pedals.
Here are some more pictures (of other pieces to it).
https://forum.multitool.org/index.php?topic=4956.60
Here are some more pictures (of other pieces to it).
https://forum.multitool.org/index.php?topic=4956.60
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01-26-13 | 07:34 PM
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UPDATE:
Thanks for the input guys. Turns out, it's just my chain (Shimano) that is difficult to "break". I was successful at "breaking" a 20+ year old chain and a relatively new chain today while fixing up my friends' bikes and was surprised by how easy it was. Never mind, I don't need extra leverage anymore, I just might want to get a better chain.
Thanks for the input guys. Turns out, it's just my chain (Shimano) that is difficult to "break". I was successful at "breaking" a 20+ year old chain and a relatively new chain today while fixing up my friends' bikes and was surprised by how easy it was. Never mind, I don't need extra leverage anymore, I just might want to get a better chain.
01-27-13 | 12:56 PM
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10 spd chains are fundamentally different than, say, 8 speed and even 9 speed. with 10speed you can't pop out a rivet half way and then push it back in. You can't reuse the rivets at all and you have to be much more precise....it may not be a bad chain.
01-27-13 | 05:26 PM
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With Shimano,you have to use a new pin every time. With SRAM,you can rejoin the chain,even 10spd,as long as you don't push the pin completely out.
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01-27-13 | 08:42 PM
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Could you please reference some source at SRAM to confirm that? Normally they use a PowerLink on their chains which doesn't require pins to be reused.
01-27-13 | 11:54 PM
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01-28-13 | 06:13 PM
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You are both wrong. You haven't been able to push a pin out and put it back for most chains for many years. SRAM has used a master link on their chains since the advent of 8 speeds. Almost all chains since then have used peened pins which have mushroomed heads to deal with side forces. The days of pushing a pin back in are long gone.
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01-28-13 | 06:18 PM
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Has anyone been successful with using the TINY chain breaker that comes with many multi tools? I haven't and I want to say it's a useless piece of metal. I need some LEVERAGE! I also feel that many bike multi tools come with a plethora of other useless hex keys, anyone else agree?
Sometimes I wonder why I bother carrying the multi tool at all, but figure the day I don't will be the day I need something more obscure that I get with the tool but don't have as a loose tool.
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01-28-13 | 10:35 PM
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You don't understand the problem. You can drive the pin back into the chain on SRAM or Shimano. But that doesn't prove anything. The pins on both sides of the chain are expanded during the assembly process to stand up to the side forces and thiner plates for chains used on systems with 8 gears or more...perhaps even 7. When you push out the pin, you get rid of that expansion and the pin won't hold. It may take a while but you are risking a chain breaking by using the old pin.
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Pokin' around the Poconos A cold ride around Lake Erie
Dinosaurs in Colorado A mountain bike guide to the Purgatory Canyon dinosaur trackway
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12-30-13 | 08:46 PM
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You don't understand the problem. You can drive the pin back into the chain on SRAM or Shimano. But that doesn't prove anything. The pins on both sides of the chain are expanded during the assembly process to stand up to the side forces and thiner plates for chains used on systems with 8 gears or more...perhaps even 7. When you push out the pin, you get rid of that expansion and the pin won't hold. It may take a while but you are risking a chain breaking by using the old pin.
I did the same thing this last spring, still going strong. Am planning to do it again this next spring.
BTW, All this pin pushing was accomplished with the aid of a Park MTB-3 multi tool.
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