Freewheel to cassette conversion
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Freewheel to cassette conversion
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I am planning to replace the wheels on the bike (Ridgeback motion rapide) as the rims are worn out. So thinking of getting wheels with freehub which are supposedly superior to thread-on freewheels.
The bike currently has Shimano MF-TZ21 7 speed freewheel (14/28), 28-48 chain rings, Shimano CN-HG40 chain, and ST-EF51 shifters.
The rear dropout is 135mm
I am planning to get the following, but unsure if they would all work together
Rims: EXAL ZX19 Racing Road Bike Wheelset (For 7/8/9/10 SPEED Cassette with JOYTEC hubs)
Cassette: Shimano CSHG200 7 Speed Cassette 12/28T
OR should I stick to freewheel and just buy freewheel compatible wheels
Please advise, thank you
I am planning to replace the wheels on the bike (Ridgeback motion rapide) as the rims are worn out. So thinking of getting wheels with freehub which are supposedly superior to thread-on freewheels.
The bike currently has Shimano MF-TZ21 7 speed freewheel (14/28), 28-48 chain rings, Shimano CN-HG40 chain, and ST-EF51 shifters.
The rear dropout is 135mm
I am planning to get the following, but unsure if they would all work together
Rims: EXAL ZX19 Racing Road Bike Wheelset (For 7/8/9/10 SPEED Cassette with JOYTEC hubs)
Cassette: Shimano CSHG200 7 Speed Cassette 12/28T
OR should I stick to freewheel and just buy freewheel compatible wheels
Please advise, thank you
Last edited by raja_mastana; 08-12-18 at 01:39 PM. Reason: typo correction - changed rim to wheels
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Since you wore out the rims and are willing to replace them, you like the bike. You might as well replace wheel since replacing the rim is a costly wheel rebuild. Going with an 8/9/10 freehub is better, even with a 7 speed cassette/spacer, than a freewheel. The down side is you won't be able to reuse your freewheel but if you wore out the rims you probably wore out the cogs.
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Also, road wheels are narrower than hybrid wheels so check the width of the drop outs.
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Thanks for the reply.
I corrected the typo in my post - I am planning to change the wheels, not just rims.
If I upgrade to wheels with freehubs, I have the following concerns
1. The rear dropouts are 135mm wide, Will I be able to swap in the new (EXAL ZX19) 7-10 speed freehubs wheels without issues?
2. Should I go it for a 7 speed cassette with spacer or should I buy a 8 speed one so I do not need a spacer. I do realize I won't be able to use I cog. It would be a upgrade path for future?
I corrected the typo in my post - I am planning to change the wheels, not just rims.
If I upgrade to wheels with freehubs, I have the following concerns
1. The rear dropouts are 135mm wide, Will I be able to swap in the new (EXAL ZX19) 7-10 speed freehubs wheels without issues?
2. Should I go it for a 7 speed cassette with spacer or should I buy a 8 speed one so I do not need a spacer. I do realize I won't be able to use I cog. It would be a upgrade path for future?
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Thanks for the reply.
I corrected the typo in my post - I am planning to change the wheels, not just rims.
If I upgrade to wheels with freehubs, I have the following concerns
1. The rear dropouts are 135mm wide, Will I be able to swap in the new (EXAL ZX19) 7-10 speed freehubs wheels without issues?
2. Should I go it for a 7 speed cassette with spacer or should I buy a 8 speed one so I do not need a spacer. I do realize I won't be able to use I cog. It would be a upgrade path for future?
I corrected the typo in my post - I am planning to change the wheels, not just rims.
If I upgrade to wheels with freehubs, I have the following concerns
1. The rear dropouts are 135mm wide, Will I be able to swap in the new (EXAL ZX19) 7-10 speed freehubs wheels without issues?
2. Should I go it for a 7 speed cassette with spacer or should I buy a 8 speed one so I do not need a spacer. I do realize I won't be able to use I cog. It would be a upgrade path for future?
2. Probably not. The spacing between each cogs is different, 5,0mm for 7 speed and 4.8mm for 8 speed. You index shifting won't work properly.
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Mixing 7- and 8-speed is somewhat debated.
The spacing IS different.
Whether different enough to matter seems to be within the realm of personal preference/tolerance.
Some riders are content, some aren’t.
A 135 mm hub can USUALLY be respaced to 130, but it takes some work.
If you’re buying at regular prices, you might as well use the effort to buy a wheel that’s correctly configured from the start.
Buying a wheel that’s 8-9-10-speed compatible seems sensible, even if you intend to start with 7-speed.
But If it was me, I dont’t think I’d bother with going to 8-speed.
If I didn’t want to do it immediately, I’d use up a 7-speed cassette, then go to 9-speed.
Or 10, if it isn’t a high-mileage bike.
The spacing IS different.
Whether different enough to matter seems to be within the realm of personal preference/tolerance.
Some riders are content, some aren’t.
A 135 mm hub can USUALLY be respaced to 130, but it takes some work.
If you’re buying at regular prices, you might as well use the effort to buy a wheel that’s correctly configured from the start.
Buying a wheel that’s 8-9-10-speed compatible seems sensible, even if you intend to start with 7-speed.
But If it was me, I dont’t think I’d bother with going to 8-speed.
If I didn’t want to do it immediately, I’d use up a 7-speed cassette, then go to 9-speed.
Or 10, if it isn’t a high-mileage bike.
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I tried looking up your wheelset, "EXAL ZX19 Racing Road Bike Wheelset" and it looks like these are for both disc and rim brake. I would guess that since they're marketed as "700c/29er" the 29er label maybe assumes a 135mm spacing. The wheels I found with that name were disc brake compatible.
Do you need disc brakes? It would help to post a link to what you want, and maybe a picture or name of your old wheelset.
There's a lot of guessing potentially happening here, make sure return policy is good!
Cassette vs free wheel, not a big deal really. The cassette may give you more options for 7 speed then a freewheel (like a reliable 11 or 12 tooth cog option). Also you could swap the wheels to another bike and have 8,9,10 speed compatibility. The freehub design has a better placement of bearings on the axle, so you'd have a stronger rear axle vs a freewheel.
Do you need disc brakes? It would help to post a link to what you want, and maybe a picture or name of your old wheelset.
There's a lot of guessing potentially happening here, make sure return policy is good!
Cassette vs free wheel, not a big deal really. The cassette may give you more options for 7 speed then a freewheel (like a reliable 11 or 12 tooth cog option). Also you could swap the wheels to another bike and have 8,9,10 speed compatibility. The freehub design has a better placement of bearings on the axle, so you'd have a stronger rear axle vs a freewheel.
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Thanks a lot for the reply guys - I have been into bikes just for a month and since then been going through lots of YouTube videos and understanding stuff. But its getting a lot confusing, and your replies really help.
I will check with the seller about the hub dimensions tomorrow.
I like things to be near perfect and have low tolerance if things don't work right - so I will rule out 8 speeds.
I don't need disc brakes. I was just looking for wheelsets and came across the Exal zx19
(www) firecloudcycles (co) (uk)/exal-zx19-racing-road-bike-wheelset-700c29er-alloy-silver-disc-7-8-9-10-speed-shimano-compaible-cassette-4105-p.asp
(can't post URLs as I have less than 10 posts)
I have not decided on those wheels - just came across when I was searching wheels. Please let me know if there are better wheels available.
Here are some pics of the existing wheels
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I will check with the seller about the hub dimensions tomorrow.
I like things to be near perfect and have low tolerance if things don't work right - so I will rule out 8 speeds.
I don't need disc brakes. I was just looking for wheelsets and came across the Exal zx19
(www) firecloudcycles (co) (uk)/exal-zx19-racing-road-bike-wheelset-700c29er-alloy-silver-disc-7-8-9-10-speed-shimano-compaible-cassette-4105-p.asp
(can't post URLs as I have less than 10 posts)
I have not decided on those wheels - just came across when I was searching wheels. Please let me know if there are better wheels available.
Here are some pics of the existing wheels
cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikeforums.net-vbulletin/1800x1200/_img1995_resize_714326d8190feac1617cb66a3478e3f268af9071.jpg
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Thanks a lot for
the reply guys - I have been into bikes just for a month and since then been going through lots of YouTube videos and understanding stuff. But its getting a lot confusing, and your replies really help.
I will check with the seller about the hub dimensions tomorrow.
I like things to be near perfect and have low tolerance if things don't work right - so I will rule out 8 speeds.
I don't need disc brakes. I was just looking for wheelsets and came across the Exal zx19
https://www.firecloudcycles.co.uk/exa...tte-4105-p.asp
(can't post URLs as I have less than 10 posts)
I have not decided on those wheels - just came across when I was searching wheels. Please let me know if there are better wheels available.
Here are some pics of the existing wheels
[img]cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikeforums.net-vbulletin/1800x1200/_img1995_resize_714326d8190feac1617cb66a3478e3f268af9071.jpg[/img]
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the reply guys - I have been into bikes just for a month and since then been going through lots of YouTube videos and understanding stuff. But its getting a lot confusing, and your replies really help.
I will check with the seller about the hub dimensions tomorrow.
I like things to be near perfect and have low tolerance if things don't work right - so I will rule out 8 speeds.
I don't need disc brakes. I was just looking for wheelsets and came across the Exal zx19
https://www.firecloudcycles.co.uk/exa...tte-4105-p.asp
(can't post URLs as I have less than 10 posts)
I have not decided on those wheels - just came across when I was searching wheels. Please let me know if there are better wheels available.
Here are some pics of the existing wheels
[img]cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikeforums.net-vbulletin/1800x1200/_img1995_resize_714326d8190feac1617cb66a3478e3f268af9071.jpg[/img]
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Thanks, I guess you need the http too.
i found another set of wheels which includes Shimano 7 speed cassette 11/28
It's available for £55 so it's cheaper and includes most of required parts like cassette and skewers. I just to check about rim tape.
What do you guys think? How will the gear be impacted with 11/28 considering the existing is 14/28
i found another set of wheels which includes Shimano 7 speed cassette 11/28
PAIR OF ALUMINIUM DOUBLEWALL 700c (622 x 19) WHEELS FOR USE ON TREKKING HYBRID TYPE BIKES THAT IS COMPLETE WITH A 7 SPEED CASSETTE ALREADY FITTED
BOTH WHEELS HAVE QUICK RELEASE HUBS AND ARE SUPPLIED WITH QUICK RELEASE SKEWERS
EUROPEAN MADE SCHURMANN 622-19 ALUMINIUM DOUBLE WALL RIMS, WITH WEAR LINE INDICATOR
CAN BE USED WITH ANY 700c TYRE SIZE FROM 700 x 28c up to 700 x 62c (if you need wheels for narrower 700c tyres we have them so please see our other listings or ask)
STANDARD VALVE HOLE (SCHRADER/WOODS)
36 SPOKES PER WHEEL
SHIMANO ALLOY QUICK RELEASE FRONT HUB FOR 100mm FRONT FORK DROPOUTS
SHIMANO RM40 7 SPEED CASSETTE QUICK RELEASE FREEHUB FOR 135mm REAR FRAME DROPOUT
FITTED WITH SHIMANO HG 11/28 7 SPEED CASSETTE WITH 28/24/21/18/15/13/11 TEETH
WEIGHT BOTH WHEELS 2220grams (EXC SKEWERS & CASSETTE)
BOTH WHEELS HAVE QUICK RELEASE HUBS AND ARE SUPPLIED WITH QUICK RELEASE SKEWERS
EUROPEAN MADE SCHURMANN 622-19 ALUMINIUM DOUBLE WALL RIMS, WITH WEAR LINE INDICATOR
CAN BE USED WITH ANY 700c TYRE SIZE FROM 700 x 28c up to 700 x 62c (if you need wheels for narrower 700c tyres we have them so please see our other listings or ask)
STANDARD VALVE HOLE (SCHRADER/WOODS)
36 SPOKES PER WHEEL
SHIMANO ALLOY QUICK RELEASE FRONT HUB FOR 100mm FRONT FORK DROPOUTS
SHIMANO RM40 7 SPEED CASSETTE QUICK RELEASE FREEHUB FOR 135mm REAR FRAME DROPOUT
FITTED WITH SHIMANO HG 11/28 7 SPEED CASSETTE WITH 28/24/21/18/15/13/11 TEETH
WEIGHT BOTH WHEELS 2220grams (EXC SKEWERS & CASSETTE)
What do you guys think? How will the gear be impacted with 11/28 considering the existing is 14/28
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That wheel set should work well. Your "slow" gear will be the same (still 28 teeth), but your "fast" gear will be a good bit faster, at 11 teeth instead of 14 teeth. You'll still be able to choose whatever gear you desire for your forward speed and pedaling cadence.
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The conversion is is finally complete after 2 weeks of searching, ordering, installing, testing, reinstalling and retesting
Upgraded to the following
1. Wheels - Mach 1 240 with Formula hubs
2. Tyre - Continental Contact 622 * 42
3. Cassette - Shimano CS-HG200 7 Speed
4. Brake pads - Lifeline V brake pads
The problem, as I had expected, was with the spacing. The spacer I purchased from eBay which said it is for "7 speeds cassette for installing on 8-9 speed hubs" was not compatible. It was 2.5mm thick and there was a lot of play. I think 3.5-4mm is required in my case. I went to Evans and they were able to provide me some spare spacers to try out - big thumbs up to Evans Cycles .
I rode the bike about 14 mi today and it seems fine - needs some fine tuning though.
Upgraded to the following
1. Wheels - Mach 1 240 with Formula hubs
2. Tyre - Continental Contact 622 * 42
3. Cassette - Shimano CS-HG200 7 Speed
4. Brake pads - Lifeline V brake pads
The problem, as I had expected, was with the spacing. The spacer I purchased from eBay which said it is for "7 speeds cassette for installing on 8-9 speed hubs" was not compatible. It was 2.5mm thick and there was a lot of play. I think 3.5-4mm is required in my case. I went to Evans and they were able to provide me some spare spacers to try out - big thumbs up to Evans Cycles .
I rode the bike about 14 mi today and it seems fine - needs some fine tuning though.
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It looks great! Nice photography. I might suggest removing the zip tie from the rear derailer's cable housing. Having it tied like that really decreases the bend radius and can increase friction/wear. Or, perhaps route the cable over the end of the quick release axle -- that would provide for a larger radius and an easier time on the inner cable.
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Thanks hokiefyd
Your suggestion makes sense - I will remove it. The reason I tied the cable was get more precise shifting as the cable will not move around. But as you said, looks like the cable is stressed in that position.
Your suggestion makes sense - I will remove it. The reason I tied the cable was get more precise shifting as the cable will not move around. But as you said, looks like the cable is stressed in that position.
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Thanks hokiefyd
Your suggestion makes sense - I will remove it. The reason I tied the cable was get more precise shifting as the cable will not move around. But as you said, looks like the cable is stressed in that position.
Your suggestion makes sense - I will remove it. The reason I tied the cable was get more precise shifting as the cable will not move around. But as you said, looks like the cable is stressed in that position.
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Thanks for the info - helps understand the shifting mechanism much better.
Just noticed another issue. When testing the bike on the repair stand, I noticed there is a lot of vibrations on the chain on the smallest sprocket (12T). The vibration reduces as I move up to 14T. It goes away from the next sprocket onward. The vibration is on the 12T is such that I can feel it on my hand through the pedals.
Could it have anything to do with the spacers (currently using two spacers - a 2mm + 1.5mm).
I ensured the chain is not rubbing on the rear frame.
Just noticed another issue. When testing the bike on the repair stand, I noticed there is a lot of vibrations on the chain on the smallest sprocket (12T). The vibration reduces as I move up to 14T. It goes away from the next sprocket onward. The vibration is on the 12T is such that I can feel it on my hand through the pedals.
Could it have anything to do with the spacers (currently using two spacers - a 2mm + 1.5mm).
I ensured the chain is not rubbing on the rear frame.
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Thanks for the info - helps understand the shifting mechanism much better.
Just noticed another issue. When testing the bike on the repair stand, I noticed there is a lot of vibrations on the chain on the smallest sprocket (12T). The vibration reduces as I move up to 14T. It goes away from the next sprocket onward. The vibration is on the 12T is such that I can feel it on my hand through the pedals.
Could it have anything to do with the spacers (currently using two spacers - a 2mm + 1.5mm).
I ensured the chain is not rubbing on the rear frame.
Just noticed another issue. When testing the bike on the repair stand, I noticed there is a lot of vibrations on the chain on the smallest sprocket (12T). The vibration reduces as I move up to 14T. It goes away from the next sprocket onward. The vibration is on the 12T is such that I can feel it on my hand through the pedals.
Could it have anything to do with the spacers (currently using two spacers - a 2mm + 1.5mm).
I ensured the chain is not rubbing on the rear frame.
2.2.1 Chordal Action
There was a time when many people wouldn't run smaller than a 14T sprocket. Now, folks are running 9T and 10T sprockets on special freehub bodies! Most cassettes come with an 11T sprocket as the smallest one, and 12T smalls are probably the second most popular. I've never owned a cassette and chain system that didn't exhibit this vibration on sprockets smaller than about 13 or 14 teeth. You generally will not feel this as much while actually riding, but you can definitely feel it in the pedals when on a work stand.
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