Are the children of the new millennium wimps?
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Look, think of it this way. Whatever it is about this phenomenon that bothers you, ask yourself why it bothers you, and then work on that. It is of absolutely no consequence to you whether kids exercise or not, or whether their parents are doing an adequate job of parenting or not. Why so angry? You're only responsible for youself and you're doing great, right?
Rather than judge why not accept that everyone does the best they can with their circumstances and it's absolutely no reflection on their worth as a person if they exercise or not. And likewise, there are "kids" out there who are athletic, and who do exercise, who are real jerks.......dot..dot......
In other words exercise doesn't make anyone a good or bad kid, parent, or person. So, again I ask..... why does this make you angry? Figure it out, and then work on that. If you don't then you're not interested in anyone's well-being or health, and are just complaining..... to be a crank? It's still not clear to me what your beef is but if you can define it I'm interested.
Rather than judge why not accept that everyone does the best they can with their circumstances and it's absolutely no reflection on their worth as a person if they exercise or not. And likewise, there are "kids" out there who are athletic, and who do exercise, who are real jerks.......dot..dot......
In other words exercise doesn't make anyone a good or bad kid, parent, or person. So, again I ask..... why does this make you angry? Figure it out, and then work on that. If you don't then you're not interested in anyone's well-being or health, and are just complaining..... to be a crank? It's still not clear to me what your beef is but if you can define it I'm interested.
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And a couple observations:
- This whole thread was angry and ugly until three of our saner members--who all happen to be female--got people to take a deep breath and think about the child. Sadly, women are very under-represented on bikeforums.net, including LCF.
- Why the absence of millennial people on this thread, and on bikeforums.net in general? Could it be that they find stereotyping threads like this one to be off-putting? BF is not going to be around very long if they don't attract young people to the fold.
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You say it like it's a bad thing BTW I'd be thrilled to join in seriously on any 'more appropriate' thread you wish to start.
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I love the "get of my lawn" feel of this thread!
My boys range in age from 5 to 12. The older ones do not deliver papers, this is true. But they are online with their friends, making gaming videos on Youtube. Some of them are making money on this. A few of these guys are trying to see if they can money on elance or other small jobs sites. These kids aren't even teenagers yet.
My point is that the kids today seem very very bright to me. They were all born with access to the world's knowledge at their fingertips. They seem inquisitive and know that every question can be answered easily by Siri or Google.
I compare myself at their age and marvel at how quickly even my 5 year old is grasping seemingly difficult concepts and vocabulary.
I look at these kids and marvel at how much more they will accomplish, and more efficiently, in their lifetime than we ever did in ours.
My boys range in age from 5 to 12. The older ones do not deliver papers, this is true. But they are online with their friends, making gaming videos on Youtube. Some of them are making money on this. A few of these guys are trying to see if they can money on elance or other small jobs sites. These kids aren't even teenagers yet.
My point is that the kids today seem very very bright to me. They were all born with access to the world's knowledge at their fingertips. They seem inquisitive and know that every question can be answered easily by Siri or Google.
I compare myself at their age and marvel at how quickly even my 5 year old is grasping seemingly difficult concepts and vocabulary.
I look at these kids and marvel at how much more they will accomplish, and more efficiently, in their lifetime than we ever did in ours.
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Why ??...Because all the millennials are on Facebook and Instagram posting their selfies and looking at other peoples selfies... Millennialls are more interested in the latest fashion trends then transportational cycling.
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I disagree completely. People are naturally seduced into believing such things because our brains are very crafty about being lazy/conserving energy. While that was a good instinct for millions of years, we've gotten far too good at it. Modern society finds it possible to expend far less energy than our bodies require for good health.
We need less time thinking, reading, watching tv, etc. and at least a little time most days where we break a sweat and really work at something physically. THAT's what the smart people on the planet are doing. The rest of them are trying to figure out how to expend even less energy than ever at a more ideally controlled temperature that promotes perfect comfort while their arteries harden.
We need less time thinking, reading, watching tv, etc. and at least a little time most days where we break a sweat and really work at something physically. THAT's what the smart people on the planet are doing. The rest of them are trying to figure out how to expend even less energy than ever at a more ideally controlled temperature that promotes perfect comfort while their arteries harden.
Here's the thing, we were relatively clueless about the primary cause of death for almost all of human history. Until we could effectively communicate with each other over distances and record those converstaions, we just caught infection after infection then died of it. Over millennia, our immune systems made valiant efforts and evolution lead to the survivors have marginally more resistance to the most common infectious agents. But recording our observations and then sharing them widely via the printing press allowed us to make real progress in the avoidance of morbidity and mortality. Not breaking a sweat, but sitting in a lab with others endelessly repeating experiments, writing down the results, and then sending out those results and the ideas they spawned for others to critic and duplicate and argue over let us overcome bacteria and viruses in just a few short generations.
Simply breaking a sweat isn't going to solve the big issues facing us in the coming decades. For example, antibiotic resistance isn't going to be overcome with physical strength or speed. It will be countered by the computer programmers, biochemists, microbiologists, and immunologists who will find new antibiotics or new ways to use old ones. They will undoubtedly spend lots of time staring at computer screens with models of organisms and compounds doing battle. They'll be using social media and email to interact with other people working on similar projects around the world. And tablets, and smartphones, and assorted devices will be used to make it all happen faster and easier than ever before.
I hope those programmers and scientists are or will be leading balanced lives that include breaking a sweat. But their contributions are going to come from the tedious, annoying, indoor work they did, rather than how fast or far they could bike.
Also, shorter and fatter women have more children so expect humanity to get shorter and fatter due to natural selection for bit.
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And not likely to speed up any influx if they can't increase the page load speed, stop treating occasional visitors as intruders (ever try to share posts with non-BF friends?) and, most especially if trolls and bickering can't be controlled (LCF being an excellent example of the latter...)
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Finished reading the thread and see it mostly took a turn toward the reasonable. Feel free to ignore my rant about infectious diseases and scientific progress.
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That said, I do enjoy being able to fix many of the things in my life and outdoor survival activities, but I enjoy them intrinsically, not as a means to survive a hoped for apocalypse.
Anywho, to the OP question, kids today are just fine. Thanks to regulation at least, they're not the lead-infused sociopathic dullards that their parents are. They have hurdles that their parents didn't have to face, but they are adapting well on the whole.
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The millennial generation will use their abilities most to dig out from the messes created by their elders. Global warming, intolerance, racism, overpopulation...the list goes on and on. I'm really ashamed of the problems we've passed on to them through our own childishness.
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And not likely to speed up any influx if they can't increase the page load speed, stop treating occasional visitors as intruders (ever try to share posts with non-BF friends?) and, most especially if trolls and bickering can't be controlled (LCF being an excellent example of the latter...)
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Spacey thread discussions that alternate between ranting about the values of the Good Old Days and The Kids are Alright like these: https://www.bikeforums.net/living-car...ium-wimps.html and https://www.bikeforums.net/living-car...h-england.html
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I get such a laugh listen to my generation (Gen X) complain about the Millennials, the irony is the Boomer complained about Gen X being so lazy and disrespectful when I was a kid. Change the calendar a coupe decades the problem children are now complain about kids these days. A never ending cycle.
My millennial daughter doesn't own a car, she bikes everywhere, year-round, in Minneapolis (even when it -20F). But at 10 years old, I remember carrying her on my back to get off a mountain. It's called growing up, most people do it; but, there are the 65-year-old-children (read Boomers) out there that still whine about everything.
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Do you know any Millennials? Most of my daughters friends left Facebook years ago, since their collective parents and grandparents (Gen Xers & Boomers) are all on Facebook. My 23-year-old daughter gets mad at mom and dad for not putting away phones when we're out together. She is nothing like the poster-child of the Millennials, but maybe we are just like the Boomer, making up stories about the new generation since we are insecure about them moving in the work-force and making us look dumb.
BTW - the selfie generation is just as much Gen X as it is Millennials. My 46-year-old wife is a total pain in the a$$ about getting selfies everywhere.... (grumbling)
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Nailed it!
I get such a laugh listen to my generation (Gen X) complain about the Millennials, the irony is the Boomer complained about Gen X being so lazy and disrespectful when I was a kid. Change the calendar a coupe decades the problem children are now complain about kids these days. A never ending cycle.
I get such a laugh listen to my generation (Gen X) complain about the Millennials, the irony is the Boomer complained about Gen X being so lazy and disrespectful when I was a kid. Change the calendar a coupe decades the problem children are now complain about kids these days. A never ending cycle.
And believe me, the Boomers' parents (The Greatest Generation) complained just as much about their kids, and probably more. And us boomer kids said "don't trust anybody over 30." A new term was even coined--"the generation gap"--the subject of many documentaries and magazine articles in the late '60s and early '70s. This was the origin of what we now call the Culture Wars.
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You're absolutely right about it being a cycle. That's why it's so funny when people like the OP don't seem to be aware of this.
And believe me, the Boomers' parents (The Greatest Generation) complained just as much about their kids, and probably more. And us boomer kids said "don't trust anybody over 30." A new term was even coined--"the generation gap"--the subject of many documentaries and magazine articles in the late '60s and early '70s. This was the origin of what we now call the Culture Wars.
And believe me, the Boomers' parents (The Greatest Generation) complained just as much about their kids, and probably more. And us boomer kids said "don't trust anybody over 30." A new term was even coined--"the generation gap"--the subject of many documentaries and magazine articles in the late '60s and early '70s. This was the origin of what we now call the Culture Wars.
I'd say that the Greatest Generation had the greatest reason to complain, those Boomers are a serious bunch of wimps. LOL
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The children are wimps for sure, but check out the adults lately, all kinds of sissy goin on these days. This culture is far too protective of individual "feelings". Its pretty pathetic really.
Adults are so wussy they don't handle their kids any more. they simply give them an audio visual distraction. so bad behavior is gifted with positive reinforcement. Great concept for raising our next generation of soft, electronics needing, no imagination having, skinny jean wearing teenagers with lame ugly haircuts.
they are also soft as butter because kids are no longer allowed to play. a fallen log used to be a playground, now its a hazard. riding my bike around the neighborhood was an every day affair, now its too unsafe. i got injured more in one day as a kid 30 years ago than the average teen gets injured in their entire childhood now.
yes, kids have gotten soft, but so have adults. they refuse to let kids be kids, so instead they become something rather less.
Adults are so wussy they don't handle their kids any more. they simply give them an audio visual distraction. so bad behavior is gifted with positive reinforcement. Great concept for raising our next generation of soft, electronics needing, no imagination having, skinny jean wearing teenagers with lame ugly haircuts.
they are also soft as butter because kids are no longer allowed to play. a fallen log used to be a playground, now its a hazard. riding my bike around the neighborhood was an every day affair, now its too unsafe. i got injured more in one day as a kid 30 years ago than the average teen gets injured in their entire childhood now.
yes, kids have gotten soft, but so have adults. they refuse to let kids be kids, so instead they become something rather less.
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Do you know any Millennials? Most of my daughters friends left Facebook years ago, since their collective parents and grandparents (Gen Xers & Boomers) are all on Facebook. My 23-year-old daughter gets mad at mom and dad for not putting away phones when we're out together. She is nothing like the poster-child of the Millennials, but maybe we are just like the Boomer, making up stories about the new generation since we are insecure about them moving in the work-force and making us look dumb.
BTW - the selfie generation is just as much Gen X as it is Millennials. My 46-year-old wife is a total pain in the a$$ about getting selfies everywhere.... (grumbling)
BTW - the selfie generation is just as much Gen X as it is Millennials. My 46-year-old wife is a total pain in the a$$ about getting selfies everywhere.... (grumbling)
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+1 Modern biologists are saying that the human capacity for social co-operation and putting the group ahead of the individual are mainly responsible for our success as a species. Most of the species that have spread widely are co-operative social animals--ants, bees, dogs, coyotes, rodents, and above all, humans. The "lone wolf" species are mostly on the endangered species list.