Oh gosh, I can imagine.....
Sometimes it seems some post only to boast about their athletic prowess, or distance traveled as if it's an important accomplishment.

You must have been looking at the 50+ list. :roflmao2:

That's faulty reasoning. Each time someone switches from a regular car to an EV, it has an environmental implication. If each EV has a lower impact than either the car it replaces, or the car the person would have gotten if they didn't get an EV, then the EVs are more environmentally friendly, regardless of the total numbers.

Mind you, it would be even better for the environment, if the person got rid of a car without replacing it, but of course that's not always possible.

We have to boast while we can. Every year an electric bike seems more and more tempting. At least to some of us.:thumb:

Ubiquitous driving tends to promote sprawl-development, regardless of whether the driving is done in EVs or ICVs. However, I'd rather bike alongside a traffic jam of EVs than ICV's, because there would be no exhaust or noise. If, however, all the people in EVs would suddenly be riding bikes instead, and the excess lanes were suddenly replaced with large-canopied trees, we'd all be biking in the shade together with no exhaust, no noise, no hot direct sunlight, and of course we'd all be getting exercise and making progress in our commute instead of stressing out over the traffic jam.

And we'd have something to post on a carfree forum!

I don't know why people have difficulty understanding the intention behind this forum. It's clearly stated by the website owners:

"Living Car Free Do you live car free or car light? Do you prefer to use alternative transportation (bicycles, walking, other human-powered or public transportation) for everyday activities whenever possible? Discuss your lifestyle here."

Most people who drive ev's are blind to the fact that they are recharged with electricity generated by burning coal, natural gas, and nukes. The vast majority of generation is from these three, wind and solar are just a tiny fraction of the "dirty" plants. And their electric bills, in some places, can be higher than what the gasoline bill would be driving an ICE. Plus I can't wait to drop $50,000 on a car that has a 200 mile range.

Really.? There are now vehicles out there that get 60MPG or even 100MPG and can go 600 miles + per tank of gas... :rolleyes: I suggest to you they are "cleaner" than a conventional gas/diesel guzzling vehicles of 20 or even 10 Years ago, by a Huge margin... IMO anyways.

Duh that's a hybrid not an ev. And no hybrids get 100 mpg. Do your research so you won't sound so ridiculous.

You are right, but there is a plug in hybrid that does get 109MPG... Now I should have specified that's Canadian gallons, the US gallon should be around 91MPG. ;)

EDIT; Make that 84MPG for the US models.

Really? Where do I buy one and how much does it cost?

MPGe is not same as MPG.

Real world testing of that new vehicle.

https://www.cars.com/articles/2017-c...1420694781191/

Thanks, maximum of 33 miles (without driving at highway speeds) on an electric charge is not 600 miles electric power range and 33 mpg (at best) overall is not my idea of great gasoline mileage if saving fuel is the goal.

I'm not against electric cars, heck they have even made a totally electric Jeep. It didn't compare to the gas version but it did okay. If you don't ever need to haul something there are several good hybrids out there. But the new Tesla electric costs over $50,000 and has about a 200 mile range. Ridiculous! We are a long way from affordable, useful ev's. And I saw an ad on tv the other day selling a hybrid (don't remember the model) and the ad said it was the highest mpg car in America at 49 mpg. And it is a tiny little tin can of a car, not very useful. The battery technology, or lack of, has made very little progress over the last few years. The infrastructure isn't here to charge your car, our old electric grid can't support charging stations on nearly every block like gas stations are now. If you're like me the thought of waiting in line to charge your car at a station, then waiting 30 minutes or more for it to charge is not very appealing. Long live the ICE!

A plug in E-Hybrid vehicle CAN work, depending how you use your vehicle... It's the best of both worlds IMO 30 miles of pure electric travel is not much I agree, and seems to fail the usability test, but it depends on how, and where, you drive it, statistically most people drive less than 30 miles a day, even if you drive 60 miles a day it can still do it all on electric if you can plug in at work lets say... So, lets say you drive 5 days a week to work, driving 60 miles only on electric (city type of driving) adds up huge. 5X60=300X50=15,000 miles a year, or if you can only do/or need to drive 30 miles a day, it's still 7,500 miles a year without the ICE running... ;) Sounds pretty good to me. :thumb: Multiply that by a 1,000,000+ in a few more years... Yes, some electric infrastructure needs to be upgraded, and electric generating solar plants need to be built but so what, it's all doable, just need to get on it... :innocent:

EDIT; So, with a vehicle like this, it TOTALY would depend on how and where and when you put on your miles... That's why the EPA MPG-E is 84MPG sure you can lower that to 27.5MPG or 45.0MPG like that real world "test". But people who buy a vehicle like this would more likely use it like in my "example", that is how I would drive it, probably beating the EPA MPG-E by a huge amount. IMO at least that is how most people who would buy it would drive it... and probably get 100MPG+ average in Canadian gallons, since I get 62MPG average in my Prius C and the Pacifica is rated at almost double (45% better) then MPG-E of my car... :innocent: If you drive 20,000 miles a year, that's 1/2 the time you are driving without the ICE running... WOW... Did I say WOW...

EDIT; 2; Every day you start out driving you get 30 Miles of driving without the ICE starting... WOW, How is that not a good thing...? :rolleyes: 365 days X 30 Miles is, 10,950 miles of driving without the engine running... :innocent: WOW, did I say WOW, 1/2 of all driving is done without the ICE running... WOW... Yea, someone will come on here and say... BUT, the electricity is produced by burning coal... Why yes it is, Who cares, it's the way it is, well lets start building solar power electric plants/solar power electric plants that can run all night, producing electricity from the suns power using liquid salt, it IS possible... :thumb:

I think they'll be affordable in ten years. But I have historically been a bit optimistic, so that's a revised projection. A decade ago, I did think we'd be farther along.

Although I haven't yet tried one, I understand the Teslas are a lot of fun to drive. I know folks who drive the EV hybrids and do claim 60 mpg. But they drive in a very methodical manner to get that. Not my style. OTOH, the full electrics can be built to outperform an ICE and I'll be glad to make the transition when those are affordable. And I still think I'll see that before I'm too old to enjoy it.

Early adopters always over pay... The point is, electric vehicles, just ARE better, OK, will be better by far than ICE Price wise in the near future...

Here is my example, and again, OK it's only a HYBRID, but a plug in electric is even better than a hybrid. My last tank of gas cost me $36, a 36L tank, a 9.5 US gallon fill up.

I drove 850Km/531Miles on it, 32% without the engine running... 273Km/170Miles... How far would your vehicle take you if the engine was not running...? :p

Mine took me 273Km/ 170Miles... Sounds great to me and my pocketbook. :thumb:

EDIT; So, lets take that a step further... 2 tanks of gas every month, $72. X 12 = $864. for a whole year... Why only that much,? Yes, it's only a Prius C but mainly because I can drive that car for... 6,552Km without the ICE running, yes I can, and do... :love:that's 4,095 miles of driving my car, using Zero, Nil, Nada, gas... How the F' is that NOT a step ahead... :innocent:

But how much did it raise your electric bill?

Oh, Ah... Zero $$$... ;)

Affordability is not the main issue with EVs...The main problems are short travel distance, lack of charging stations and the length of time it takes to charge them...It would be extremely expensive for businesses and companies to install charging stations if all their employees used EVs...A lot of people also live in high rise buildings, which makes EV's impractical...A high rise condo with 150 tenants would need 150 charging stations if all of it's people had EVs.
Totally unrealistic for EVs to ever go mainstream, they are just a niche product.

BS !!!...:lol:

I'm telling ya, 30 years. If then.

Ah, NO, I am driving a Prius C, a Hybrid, NOT a plug in electric... ;)

Really dude, I am trying to give you, real world numbers, and that is the conclusion you come to,.? :p WOW. :rolleyes: