And I wonder why would that be... ? Mayhap, because Big-Oil wants it that way...? :innocent:

Excellent post. 30 years, if then.

ONLY, Because there "are" people "actively fighting it", They do not give a flying F' about the average person, or even the planet, they are only looking at the next 1/4 profit line... :innocent:

I don't think anyone is actively fighting it, I think most people would accept ev's if they were at all practicle. They aren't practical. One reason is battery technology hasn't improved in many years, nothing new since Li-ion batteries were introduced. They are heavy, expensive and they require re-charging too often. I know a lot of people who drive 50+ miles to work. Do you think their employers will provide charging stations so they can charge their batteries at work? I can fill up my jeep and forget about it for a few hundred miles. And it takes less than 5 minutes to fill up. Can you say that for ev's?

[QUOTE=MikeOK;19675102]I don't think anyone is actively fighting it, I think most people would accept ev's if they were at all practicle. They aren't practical. One reason is battery technology hasn't improved in many years, nothing new since Li-ion batteries were introduced. They are heavy, expensive and they require re-charging too often. I know a lot of people who drive 50+ miles to work. Do you think their employers will provide charging stations so they can charge their batteries at work? I can fill up my jeep and forget about it for a few hundred miles. And it takes less than 5 minutes to fill up. Can you say that for ev's?[/QUOTE]

Yes I can, buy a vehicle that can do 300Miles on a charge... and, OK, maybe more like a 30minutes for a "fill-up"... But yes, they do exist... :thumb: The only "problem" is the price. For the "affordable" E-vehicles there IS a ways to go. But, that is a problem of demand and [production ramp up that needs to happen to bring prices down. ;) NOT a problem of, can it be done... :p It IS being done by some. :thumb:

EDIT; I am 100% sure the first few model T's were TOTALY UN-Affordable by the people who ended up buying them later, by the millions... ;)

Well, Yes, I actually do think it's possible... At least, the employers around here would/could do it... :p Around here pretty well every parking spot has a plug in, for the winter time when you need to have the vehicle plugged in to be assured it will start, ;) when you want it to... :p

You realize that I find it funny that people were having this same discussion in the early 1900's. Thats right, over 100 years ago.

Many of the issues that existed in the 'teens, and by that I mean the Nineteen-teens, have been resolved today. However, they had solutions in place that we could learn from. One was a standardized battery pack that could be easily forklifted out of an electric-truck and placed on a charging rack while a fully charged pack was put into the truck, reducing overall turnaround time to less than five minutes.

The same could easily be done with a battery pack removable from the bottom of the vehicle. The electric car would drive into a station, a robot would roll under the car, release the battery, take it to a charging station and grab a new battery, reinstall it and the driver would be on their way. The batteries would then be charged slowly, allowing for better charges and less intense pulls on the power network. Bad cells could also be replaced.

The driver would be charged for energy used and some general fee related to average cell degradation. Nothing about this, except for the idea that the process can be entirely automated, is new. Yes, it would call for some coordination between manufacturers; however, that is not new or hard.

Nearly every part of this discussion happened over one hundred years ago. It looks like this time we may come up with a different answer.

WOW, I just had a discussion with my son about that, and that is the "solution" he proposed to cut down on the 30 minute charge time per vehicle... :thumb:

It is true that battery packs could be exchanged at a "filling" station. The only problem with that is (as I have posted elsewhere) we don't have the electrical infrastructure to serve these station. Our electric grid is old. Right now in cities we have a Quick Trip on about every other block. And you usually have to wait in line to gas up. We would require just as many stations to service ev's, but our existing grid won't support it.

You must have one of those magic chargers that charge for free. Do you know how many kW it takes to charge these cars?

Well, you guys need to get "on-Top of the situation" and start building... (solar, charging stations). ;)

You need to read MY POST, I have a Prius C, a HYBRID, it does NOT plug into anything, (a plug in E-vehicle does need to be plugged in, but is even more efficient than a hybrid, so the extra "cost" for electricity is a non starter, still cheaper than gas) on my vehicle, all the power is made with the ICE... and yet it is 32% more "efficient". What is wrong with that...? ;)

Also as I have posted elsewhere, hybrids are a working solution. But most of them are tiny little tin can cars that have limited use and most people choose something more. Heck, they've even made an electric Jeep Wrangler that, although couldn't do what the gas one could, was still okay. The problem with them is they have very limited range. I wouldn't want to be way back on some remote trail in the mountains and run out of battery in the middle of nowhere.

That is why hybrids are made, battery goes low and Voilà, the engine starts up, and you still drive home... :thumb: Having done 30 miles without the engine running, every day, that's 365 days X 30 Miles = 10,950 miles a year, without the engine running. :bang:

Fine, you want/need to drive a big assed 4X4, no problem. Lets say you "only" get a 10% free mileage of that vehicle... Instead of my 32% because I drive a puny car, what does that mean to you, if you drove a vehicle like that (Jeep wrangler)...? Well now, I would say/predict, that every 10th tank of gas that you buy, would be... FREE... :beer: Imagine that, you fill up and the bill is Zero, Nada Zilch... [B Again, the whole tank is, ]FREE.[/B] :p

That can be the difference, and yet you can still drive wherever you want without the fear of running out of electric power... :innocent:

I just knew someone would bring up solar. I worked for an electric utility for over 30 years. The vast majority of generation is coal and natural gas. Wind and solar will always be a small percentage of generation. The problem with solar is the panels are very expensive, and they only generate when the sun is out. Wind isn't quite as bad, but can only generate when the wind is blowing in a certain range. My company didn't have either, but in my years of being a system operator my colleagues from other companies that did have wind or solar hated it. They had contracts with greenie groups who's expectations where hard to meet with the limited ability of those generators. People, we are far from being an oil free society.

I am not talking oil free, or coal free. I am talking about supplementing, and then, later as the technology gets better, and then cheaper, that is when you start replacing outdated and majorly polluting industries... ;)

Or, you could just get a bike and be done with it.

Yes, you could... BUT... Just think about it, plug in electric vehicles, that can go 30 miles every day, nay, even 60 miles every day without the ICE even starting up, if you can plug it in during the day where you work... THAT'S... a WOW... 365X30=10,950 miles a year without the ICE running, or 365X 60=21,900 miles every day, without the ICE running... Did I say WOW...? No wonder big-oil ? or un-informed people, is/are putting out "scientific papers" saying it is a fail... :rolleyes: And some people do "tests" like the one in this thread saying , Oh, 84MPG is totally BS, I only got 24.7 or 45MILES a gallon at best, when I "tested it"... A TOTAL MIS-INFORMATION attempt post # 38, at ridiculing a vehicle that would actually, in real world driving get 84MPG, when driven the way "most" people would drive their vehicles today... ;)

Your information is totally outdated. I guess you worked in the field in the 1990s if not earlier?

Solar power is no longer a maybe, it CAN produce ALL the electricity the country needs... The will to build them not being there is the problem, and the misinformation, and no todays solar power is not just in the daytime... :rolleyes: There are solar plants out there that can and do produce electricity all night too. ;)

What color is the sky in you people's little world? I guess the wind blows 18-22 mph all the time and it's sunny 24/7.

Now that we have a good President in office coal generation will be even cheaper. He will lift all the regulations that the wacko greenies were able to have placed during previous administrations.

Long live coal!
Long live the ICE!

You don't seem to understand what "real world" means, and also the difference between MPG and MPGe. They are not the same. And my post did not ridicule, I objectively linked an article.

That article did test the car in "real world" conditions. The fact that you close your mind to the results does not negate them.

Look at all the cars on the road. Now replace them with electric. Where do you think all the charging energy will have to come from I'll give you a hint, it ain't solar.

I know, we can just build those awesome solar plants you keep espousing. While your at it why don't you tout some cancer killing drug that we should be able to develop in our sleep, since you think new tech is just a snap of the fingers away.

From Forbe's on the Tesla Model S:
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"However when you calculate the cost to recharge the 40 miles using the Tier 4 $0.34876 per kWh price the refueling costs would be:
$4.60 when using a 240 volt outlet
$6.17 when using a 110 volt outlet
Which is significantly higher than the $3.60 in gas costs. Gas costs are lower than they have been due to oil prices collapsing the past 18 months so the difference should lessen but electricity costs should increase."
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And you think employers will pay for this? You have to be kidding me. A company that has 500 employees will have to shell out an extra $60,000 a month and that's not including the cost of installing all that equipment. And to top it all off, that's only considering a 40 mile daily drive. Who only drives 40 miles a day? Most people will have a 110v outlet at home, so that's 6.17 X 30 days/month. Total added monthly electric bill = $185 for 40 miles per day. And each household will have 2 or more cars, I'll let you add that up.

I think you got's a decimal point in the wrong place somewhere... https://www.quora.com/How-much-does-...esla-100-miles some people seem to drive a whole month on $5.55 to $ 12.0 per month... in their electric cars... ;)