Machka 

The Library.

Machka 

tandempower

Ok, I'm going to unpack this because otherwise you're going to keep exploiting this subtle distinction between what I said and what you seem to want to imply. Nature as a whole is more powerful than humans, unquestionably, because humans are part of nature. What I said was that as a species humans are the most powerful because of technologies and the capacity for intelligence and self-control we've developed.

It is faulty logic to think that we are separate from nature and/or in competition with it. We are part and parcel of nature, just like every other species. And just like any species, we have positive and negative effects on other species, the environment, the landscape, etc. In some ways, we behave symbiotically and in other ways parasitically. What's unique about humans is the ability to understand the effects of our actions and take responsibility for choosing actions that have good effects and avoid bad ones.

That makes us the most powerful species of nature, but you are right that nature as a whole is ultimately more powerful and, if we continue to act parasitically, nature will find a way to cleanse herself of the parasitism or she will die in the process, because those are the only two choices for any organism or system to deal with parasitic activity.

I-Like-To-Bike

tandempower

If I was really interested in the North American plains, I would look up books at the library. I might even make a study of it at some point, especially after this discussion. But I do not always make everything into a big research project. What you seem to want is for me to shut up unless/until I have read up in depth on the specific region that is in question. That's just not necessary, though, because if I say something that turns out to be stupid, e.g. that trees can grow someplace where they can't (yet), then people who think/know otherwise will tell me why I'm wrong, and I will be able to incorporate that information into my thinking. That's what discussion is good for. You say that you get tired of doing research for me, but that is just because you don't like me as a poster. If someone else posted something that gave you an opportunity to post your knowledge on some topic, you'd eagerly post it.

Machka 

No ... I encourage most people to do their own research and learn through education and experience. It's the best way to learn. Much better than simply being told.

Plus I'm too busy to post all my knowledge (especially for free!) ... I'm busy researching and learning through education and experience.

tandempower

Ok, well no one requires you to respond to me posts.

Walter S

That's what I tried to point out to you recently. You think it's fine to spout off about things you know nothing about in fits of endless conjecture. We on BF are supposed to read your crap and carefully detail where you're wrong, which you won't accept. Thanks

tandempower

What makes you think you're not the one spouting off about things you know nothing about? When you dismiss my critical thinking and questing, that's my first clue that you accept things you hear at face value and therefore that whatever you say should be taken with a grain of salt.

Walter S

Hmmm...nature itself dies because of parasitic humans? What will happen to the cockroaches? They're much more adaptable. They can survive very hot and cold (try microwaving a cockroach - he won't mind much). They can survive about 50 times more radiation. But they're just the beginning...nature and life will continue long after fragile creatures like us pass on.

Walter S

Some people put more faith in facts that have been laid down by hundreds of years of scientific investigation over the ponderings of your "critical thinking" when you're not even educated on the subject matter and instead are just speculating, which is about the least reliable source of information one can find anywhere.

tandempower

Some degree of nature will survive and go on evolving. E.g. if Earth got so hot it returned to a magma state, it would probably evolve life again in more or less the same way it did since it was magma before.

tandempower

You don't understand that there's no competition between learning facts and thinking critically. In your mind, it's a competition because you don't think critically about facts. You just accept them and that's it. So to you when someone is thinking critically, they're not getting closer to truth; they're just deviating from truth, because to you 'truth' means nothing more than 'learned information from a trusted source.'

Walter S

I reject all kinds of claims especially the fantastic ones I see from you.

tandempower

Ok, enough negative posts toward me. If you can't understand my POV, stop bothering me about it.

Walter S

Ok, well no one requires you to respond to me posts.

wolfchild

Rowan

Exactly the point I was making that we are not the most powerful creatures on Earth. The tiniest organisms are so easy to overlook because, well, we don't see them.

I-Like-To-Bike

Apropos your observation:

badger1

"Sir Bedevere:
...and that, my liege, is how we know the Earth to be banana shaped.

King Arthur:
This new learning amazes me, Sir Bedevere. Explain again how sheep's bladders may be employed to prevent earthquakes."

Sangetsu

It had been a cool summer in Tokyo until yesterday. Last week people are still wearing sweaters in the morning. But summer finally came yesterday. So long as I can keep moving, the heat doesn't bother me. But when stopping at a traffic light, or getting off the bike to get something to eat, the sweat comes pouring out (Tokyo is very humid in the summer).

350htrr

WOW, gone fishing for a few days, and this happens. Seems to me , much of what TP says is being ... "miss-interpreted". Some, of it intentionally... NO, I am not going into it any further, as I been there... Caught 36 fish... Ye hoo...

EDIT; Oh, only kept 2... One must not **** & pillage this earth, just because one can seem get away with it, cause mankind is a "superior being"... or was that a scourge on this earth... I can never get that strait...

Walter S

Expect only to catch the ebb and flow of synapses roaming about freely in emoji land. Complete thoughts not welcome.

I-Like-To-Bike

Patience, my friend! Monkeys don't spend all their time typing/flinging stuff; one day one of them might type out some prose worthy of Shakespeare.

350htrr

See, Now, what we have here, is a failure to communicate, Why.? Because, people are so... set in their ways, brainwashed by the status quo info out there,.? When a different point of view is presented they ridicule, they shoot down, they are so un-open/closed minded, to different ideas that they are... Willing to destroy other people,, Yes people CAN be wrong, but... Saying things like a third grader would to win an argument/disagreement is NOT constructive... Who cares if some idea is stupid/wrong, well, say why, say how, This blanket statement, You are wrong, you are stupid without some info to back it up like ILTB is, always seems to be on here saying is BS...

I don't think I have EVER seen anything positive by ILTB on here. other than negative comments and nothing to say why, that person was wrong is all I see... and a few other people are starting to follow in his footsteps...

JMO and I, for one do NOT like it... Constructive criticism... Is where it's at. And some people have done that.

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