What's your major hurdle in becoming car-free?
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What's your major hurdle in becoming car-free?
I think there are quite a few car-free wannabees out there. I'm certainly one. I think I'm headed in the right direction, but slowly... Here's a couple of things I'm working on:
* although I commute to work daily, I seem to lack the energy for the 1/2 miles trip to the grocery store. I do it sometimes, but always feel I'm not equipped enough for dragging the groceries back. I have to make too many trips, daily in fact. Solution: thinking about buying one of those used Burley kid haulers... or maybe a single wheel trailer.
* absolutely despise going anywhere after dark on the bicycle. I bought a $50 Cateye light, but it seems to run out of battery when I least expect. Solution: maybe buy a wheel generator + light from Peter White Cycles sometime. I think you can get set up for about $150 or so. However, still have the problem that I hate travelling at night on bicycle.
Anyway, those are my current hurdles. What are yours?
* although I commute to work daily, I seem to lack the energy for the 1/2 miles trip to the grocery store. I do it sometimes, but always feel I'm not equipped enough for dragging the groceries back. I have to make too many trips, daily in fact. Solution: thinking about buying one of those used Burley kid haulers... or maybe a single wheel trailer.
* absolutely despise going anywhere after dark on the bicycle. I bought a $50 Cateye light, but it seems to run out of battery when I least expect. Solution: maybe buy a wheel generator + light from Peter White Cycles sometime. I think you can get set up for about $150 or so. However, still have the problem that I hate travelling at night on bicycle.
Anyway, those are my current hurdles. What are yours?
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250 miles from the house to the current jobsite only good thing is that the company pays for the mileage. I have been on the search for a local job that pays similarly but so far no luck.'
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1. Bad weather
2. There are times in which I really need to get somewhere across town, and I don't have an hour to spare.
2. There are times in which I really need to get somewhere across town, and I don't have an hour to spare.
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I guess I was lucky, in a way...I had no choice but to become carfree. No permit=No car. I'd always been pretty carlite since college...so I knew what to expect...I've had to go more practical with the style of bikes I ride...but in a way I've enjoyed building machines I wouldn't have been caught dead riding 10 years ago.
One thing that sucks is how limited my employment has become do to riding a bike...my major source of employment has been industrial trade work for the past 12 years and usually requires driving having a truck to tote tons of tools from jobsite to jobsite....I don't miss the aggravation of hauling around all my tools , but I miss the money at times.
What I love is the sense of independence and simplicity my life has (d)evolved into...rain...yep I hate it...and I hate toting rain gear all the time not knowing when I'm gonna get stuck in a downpour...but I deal with it. Riding at nite...yep it's dangerous and I don't always feel uber safe...but I have lites ,I carry backup batteries and use relective stuff...knock wood not been runover yet.
It's always easy to come up with excuses not to want to do things...I really don't want to finish my bathroom remodel this weekend...but I will.
Carfree is definately a big effin change for anyone...most Americans ain't programmed that way...it can be done. I don't think I'll ever get my liscense back...screw it..I don't need it.
One thing that sucks is how limited my employment has become do to riding a bike...my major source of employment has been industrial trade work for the past 12 years and usually requires driving having a truck to tote tons of tools from jobsite to jobsite....I don't miss the aggravation of hauling around all my tools , but I miss the money at times.
What I love is the sense of independence and simplicity my life has (d)evolved into...rain...yep I hate it...and I hate toting rain gear all the time not knowing when I'm gonna get stuck in a downpour...but I deal with it. Riding at nite...yep it's dangerous and I don't always feel uber safe...but I have lites ,I carry backup batteries and use relective stuff...knock wood not been runover yet.
It's always easy to come up with excuses not to want to do things...I really don't want to finish my bathroom remodel this weekend...but I will.
Carfree is definately a big effin change for anyone...most Americans ain't programmed that way...it can be done. I don't think I'll ever get my liscense back...screw it..I don't need it.
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lol - I think the question could be - what is your barrier to become not-car-free (car dependent?)?
Money to buy a car
Red tape/licencing/drivers tests/etc
No Place to Park/Parking fees
Insurance
Danger of car accidents
Price of gas
Loss of personal time due to traffic congestion
Given all these I'm kinda surprised so many people actually have cars. Perhaps we should look into it - it seems to be a major social problem.
Money to buy a car
Red tape/licencing/drivers tests/etc
No Place to Park/Parking fees
Insurance
Danger of car accidents
Price of gas
Loss of personal time due to traffic congestion
Given all these I'm kinda surprised so many people actually have cars. Perhaps we should look into it - it seems to be a major social problem.
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having to haul kids around to their places
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What keeps me car-lite is that I live in a mid-western rural small
town that is one of the many hollowed out towns left over from
the old days of better times. There are NO mass transit means
at all within several hundred miles of where I live nor are there
any medical faclities within 30 miles. All on bad 2 lane roads.
To shop for food I must drive 25 mi or 17 mi one way to stock up
once a month. However, much of what we need I bring to us buy
shopping the net alot. Many web stores offer free shipping which cuts
our expenses even more.
When I'm in town I bike/trike my way around using a car only when I
MUST leave town which I limit as much as possible.
town that is one of the many hollowed out towns left over from
the old days of better times. There are NO mass transit means
at all within several hundred miles of where I live nor are there
any medical faclities within 30 miles. All on bad 2 lane roads.
To shop for food I must drive 25 mi or 17 mi one way to stock up
once a month. However, much of what we need I bring to us buy
shopping the net alot. Many web stores offer free shipping which cuts
our expenses even more.
When I'm in town I bike/trike my way around using a car only when I
MUST leave town which I limit as much as possible.
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I dislike clipless pedals on any city bike since I feel they are unsafe.
Originally Posted by krazygluon
Steel: nearly a thousand years of metallurgical development
Aluminum: barely a hundred, which one would you rather have under your butt at 30mph?
My preferred bicycle brand is.......WORKSMAN CYCLES
I dislike clipless pedals on any city bike since I feel they are unsafe.
Originally Posted by krazygluon
Steel: nearly a thousand years of metallurgical development
Aluminum: barely a hundred, which one would you rather have under your butt at 30mph?
Last edited by Nightshade; 10-01-06 at 11:57 AM.
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60 days a year with temps above 110, and 120 over 100 (AZ desert) and 4 children, and our area lacks public transportation. I don't mind the commute in the summer, and my children love their bicycles, but as they say, children and the elderly need to be careful in the extreme heat. In fact here it is the last day of September and 105 degrees.
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I am a non-car-owner, but my partner (with whom I live) still has a car. She wants to sell it, but hasn't taken the plunge yet. We want to have the ability to use a car easily just in case the need arises and fortunately there's Philly Car Share, which just recently eliminated monthly/yearly fees for their non-premium members.
We use the car occasionally when we're going somewhere out of town or when the weather's not so good. (I ride my bike in all kinds of weather but she doesn't do the same.) The car also gets used for carrying stuff that doesn't fit well in or on top of my 45-gallon bike trailer.
We use the car occasionally when we're going somewhere out of town or when the weather's not so good. (I ride my bike in all kinds of weather but she doesn't do the same.) The car also gets used for carrying stuff that doesn't fit well in or on top of my 45-gallon bike trailer.
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Originally Posted by gerv
Anyway, those are my current hurdles. What are yours?
Hurdles I can see are if you have kids or live in a rural area where it may take a while to get to.
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Originally Posted by gerv
* absolutely despise going anywhere after dark on the bicycle. I bought a $50 Cateye light, but it seems to run out of battery when I least expect. Solution: maybe buy a wheel generator + light from Peter White Cycles sometime. I think you can get set up for about $150 or so. However, still have the problem that I hate travelling at night on bicycle.
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Originally Posted by Tightwad
There are NO mass transit means
at all within several hundred miles of where I live
at all within several hundred miles of where I live
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Boils down to real estate costs and my salary. I could be car free, but I have bills to pay (school loans) and I don't want to pay a such a substantial percentage of my income for just housing. My work is 34 miles away, doable in the summer, but not now. I do, however, in some weeks drive to work, bike home, then bike back the next morning, then drive home; my work's flexible hours let me do this, otherwise it wouldn't happen. Note that I just graduated and I'm at first job in my discipline, so I expect to make sacrafices like living so far from work.
Owning a car isn't an expense for me, gas + insurance + parts (I do all work, just did the brakes thursday) is still far less than any compareble place near work (<10 miles), plus I'm closer to family and friends.
But I still dream of the day where I can ditch the car have everything within 10 miles.
Owning a car isn't an expense for me, gas + insurance + parts (I do all work, just did the brakes thursday) is still far less than any compareble place near work (<10 miles), plus I'm closer to family and friends.
But I still dream of the day where I can ditch the car have everything within 10 miles.
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Hurdles...
An S.O. with a car, which fosters my laziness which prevents me from doing things other than commuting/joyriding with my bike.
If I didn't have the "you can always pick that up on this week's grocery/mall run on the weekend" sitting in the back of my mind, I'd do more errands on the bike..that and a lack of good mounting mechanisms for my lock+cable.
An S.O. with a car, which fosters my laziness which prevents me from doing things other than commuting/joyriding with my bike.
If I didn't have the "you can always pick that up on this week's grocery/mall run on the weekend" sitting in the back of my mind, I'd do more errands on the bike..that and a lack of good mounting mechanisms for my lock+cable.
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Originally Posted by gerv
* although I commute to work daily, I seem to lack the energy for the 1/2 miles trip to the grocery store. I do it sometimes, but always feel I'm not equipped enough for dragging the groceries back. I have to make too many trips, daily in fact. Solution: thinking about buying one of those used Burley kid haulers... or maybe a single wheel trailer.
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Originally Posted by krazygluon
Hurdles...
An S.O. with a car, which fosters my laziness which prevents me from doing things other than commuting/joyriding with my bike.
If I didn't have the "you can always pick that up on this week's grocery/mall run on the weekend" sitting in the back of my mind, I'd do more errands on the bike..that and a lack of good mounting mechanisms for my lock+cable.
An S.O. with a car, which fosters my laziness which prevents me from doing things other than commuting/joyriding with my bike.
If I didn't have the "you can always pick that up on this week's grocery/mall run on the weekend" sitting in the back of my mind, I'd do more errands on the bike..that and a lack of good mounting mechanisms for my lock+cable.
I hate that car, and I hate the 320 dollar monthly payment on it. That's more than half our mortgage payment, and we only spend an hour a week in the car. as Opus said, "Phbtthhhtttt!" and god forbid I use it for something it is really useful for like two bales of straw or four hundred pounds of compost. Then I get read the riot act for making it dirty. Like we intend to start eating out of the trunk any time soon.
sigh. why do we pamper these stupid machines so much? I've considered skipping the maintence on it in the hopes of killing it off.
In some ways I'm lucky. She agrees with me that keeping it in the garage is a dumb idea, so we have a wood shop/bike repair garage that is also storing much of the produce from my garden.
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Originally Posted by bike2math
... (she uses transit to commute).
In some ways I'm lucky. She agrees with me that keeping it in the garage is a dumb idea, so we have a wood shop/bike repair garage that is also storing much of the produce from my garden.
In some ways I'm lucky. She agrees with me that keeping it in the garage is a dumb idea, so we have a wood shop/bike repair garage that is also storing much of the produce from my garden.
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My hurdle in going from car lite to car free is my love of snowboarding, hiking, biking, and camping in the mountains nearby. I hear that they have shuttles for boarding but the shuttle costs almost as much as it does for me to maintain my old prizm. And hiking and camping in secluded places isn't exactly "get a cab" material.
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Mainly it's a lack of mass transit here. There is one bus line that runs north and south on US1. I've checked the schedule, and being that it is basically one bus running a loop, it takes forever to get anywhere. In the next city north of me it does branch out a little bit, but not nearly as far as I need to go. I could bike but a suit looks terrible after an hour on a bike in S. Florida.
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Originally Posted by gerv
I think there are quite a few car-free wannabees out there. I'm certainly one. I think I'm headed in the right direction, but slowly... Here's a couple of things I'm working on:
* although I commute to work daily, I seem to lack the energy for the 1/2 miles trip to the grocery store. I do it sometimes, but always feel I'm not equipped enough for dragging the groceries back. I have to make too many trips, daily in fact. Solution: thinking about buying one of those used Burley kid haulers... or maybe a single wheel trailer.
* absolutely despise going anywhere after dark on the bicycle. I bought a $50 Cateye light, but it seems to run out of battery when I least expect. Solution: maybe buy a wheel generator + light from Peter White Cycles sometime. I think you can get set up for about $150 or so. However, still have the problem that I hate travelling at night on bicycle.
Anyway, those are my current hurdles. What are yours?
* although I commute to work daily, I seem to lack the energy for the 1/2 miles trip to the grocery store. I do it sometimes, but always feel I'm not equipped enough for dragging the groceries back. I have to make too many trips, daily in fact. Solution: thinking about buying one of those used Burley kid haulers... or maybe a single wheel trailer.
* absolutely despise going anywhere after dark on the bicycle. I bought a $50 Cateye light, but it seems to run out of battery when I least expect. Solution: maybe buy a wheel generator + light from Peter White Cycles sometime. I think you can get set up for about $150 or so. However, still have the problem that I hate travelling at night on bicycle.
Anyway, those are my current hurdles. What are yours?
For the second hurdle: I'm not buying it. A $50 cateye is probably an LED light. The batteries will go at least 30 hours, and they drain gradually to give you some warning before they totally black out. I change mine on the first day of every month, just to be on the safe side. 30 hours of battery life is more than a month for all but the longest commutes. As for "hating" night travel: maybe you hate it because it is something you're not usd to it. I hated it a first, but after a few trips I came to cherish my nightly commute. Give it a chance--you might grow to love it.
gerv--what are the real hurdles? These ones really don't seem so insurmountable. Maybe you just don't really like riding that much? If so, that's fine--just find something else that you do enjoy for exercise and fun. But do something!
If you do decide to keep riding, just hang in there, keep trying. Before you know it, it will be just as easy for you as it is for me and the millions of other people who ride bikes for transportation. Mostly...Have fun and keep moving!
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Kids...my youngest DD had a minor cold this weekend that took a turn for the worst overnight. I rushed her to the nearest clinic when she started to complain of shortness of breath. Scary, very scary. She's OK, severe bronchitis, fortunately they were able to get it calmed down. Family is quite a distance away. I suppose I could have called an ambulance. Hard to give up peace of mind...
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Originally Posted by Roody
For the first hurdle: if you lack the energy to ride 1/2 mile on a bike (That's about 3 minutes, even at low speeds)
Originally Posted by Roody
As for "hating" night travel: maybe you hate it because it is something you're not usd to it. I hated it a first, but after a few trips I came to cherish my nightly commute. Give it a chance--you might grow to love it.
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Originally Posted by bragi
Get an LED light. They're not expensive, and batteries last for 200+ hours. I bought my LED light three months ago, I ride at night several times a week (I'm fond of music and beer), and I'm still using the original batteries. (But I keep a couple of extra batteries with me, just in case...)