Fasteryoufool

I just bungee it to the top of my trailer.

I do bungee it lightly to keep it from getting squashed, mainly because I like it to roll smoothly on the spindle.

Roody

I don't want "excess packaging" but I think some packaging is great. An extreme example is eggs.I would not take a dozen eggs out of the carton and throw them in the panniers just to save space. But cereal is the same to me. I want flakes or nuggets, not cereal dust when I get home. And I don't want squished toilet paper either.

zeppinger

Haha. I still don't get the squished toilet paper thing but I understand cereal dust, not that I eat the stuff. Here you can buy eggs in a carton like the US or by the egg. Its often cheaper by the egg, especially with big purchases. Korea got its first Costco a few years ago and bulk buying is just starting to catch on as part of a "western" lifestyle. Koreans just carry a whole bunch of eggs home in a plastic bag. The bag could easily be reusable but I doubt it is.

I live in an older part of Seoul where there are outdoor markets, grocery stores, meat markets, delis, and produce stands all along the road as I walk the two hundred yards between the subway and my home. There is no need for bulk shopping or special packing for items that keep them protected during transportation. Most people live within spitting distance of some kind of grocery store. Local convenience stores carry far more fruits and vegetables than any 7-11 in the states. I buy all my eggs from a convenient store about 50 feet from my front door.

In the new part of Seoul, just south of the Han river, the city is more "modern" (read American). Wide boulevards that take 15 minutes to cross by foot, huge shopping complexes, and massive department/grocery stores. At the same time those areas are still far more livable than anything I experienced in the US because they are dense, no parking lots and very easy mass transit. A lot of those residents do drive their cars to get groceries though.

zeppinger

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Ekdog

A disturbing trend here is plastic egg cartons. I can't imagine what was wrong with the old cardboard ones, which were reusable, biodegradable and easily recyclable. Meanwhile, the five gyres keep growing.

wahoonc

I used to take a couple of egg carriers with me to the grocery store because I didn't trust the cartons. I finally decided the cartons were fine if taped shut, so now I haul a roll of duct tape with me.

Aaron

LesterOfPuppets

Scott brand toilet paper rolls without a cardboard tube at the core are being test marketed at Walmart. Hopefully it goes well.

Fasteryoufool

They are also great for starting fires in the fireplace. Much better than newspaper.

crazybikerchick

And the really frustrating thing is they often put organic eggs in plastic cartons. So I want to buy eggs where the chickens were fed well and treated well, but I don't want to create garbage..

wahoonc

I walk out back to get mine

Aaron

Roody

That's definitely the way to go. My city now allows people to keep chickens in their back yards. Unfortunately, my yard is too small for yardbirds.

wahoonc

They really don't need much space at all. I am blessed/cursed with plenty of acreage. Hens only need about 10sf outside space and 4sf inside space per bird. We manage ours in a Chicken Ark. IIRC the overall dimensions are around 5'x8' on the base. The neat thing about ours is that it can be moved around the yard and gardens....(need to get pictures of it). We also have a coop that is built off the end of our small barn, but it is uninhabited at the moment.

Aaron

Cyclaholic

Wait a sec.... you have "outboard motors" on your list as a regular grocery item?

LesterOfPuppets

Some Fred Meyer's have little electric trolling motors. You never know....

Roody

The space requirements are for the neighbors, not the chickens. Your birds have to be kept a certain distance from the property line, and my little yard doesn't measure up.

Platy

I had an unexpected issue come up with a bidet seat in one of our bathrooms earlier today. This particular model is a simple gadget called a Biffy. You press on a lever and a jet of water comes up to do the job. Kind of like a water fountain, except with nothing in the way, the jet squirts cold water almost up to the ceiling.

Anyway, we had a painting crew out today to re-texture some ceilings. My partner & I were hanging out in the garage. At one point I hear a texture blowing machine come on, then a loud shout, the machine goes off, some cussing, then the texture blowing starts again. So I figured, hmm, someone had the blower pointed backwards or something.

After the painting crew left I noticed the toilet seat left up in that bathroom, which would be unusual. Looking closer, I saw the Biffy lever arm was slightly out of position. I figured that someone had been standing on the toilet to reach that corner of the ceiling. And when I realized that he had accidentally nudged the activation lever with his foot while standing on the toilet reaching for the ceiling ... at that point I remembered the shout, put 2 and 2 together and I ROFL'd until I couldn't ROFL any more!

gerv 

Rude introduction to the Biffy.

After reading this thread from top to bottom (I must be bored...but this is a real piece of social archaeology.. it would be interesting to revisit this thread in 50 years),

1) When people start moving away from tp, there may be some hope for humanity. The average American uses some 50 pounds of tp annually.. which is twice what the average European uses... and about 10 times what the average African uses. And most North Americans are not satisfied with recycled material; they require softer sensation, original-growth forest. https://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/26/wo....20453524.html

2) The Biffy is an interesting alternative to toilet paper. What I don't understand is how it differs from a bidet or a spritz bottle? One thing that does impress me is that this method must be much cleaner than regular tp...

DX-MAN

The biggest bundle of TP I care to buy will fit in one of those reuseable shopping bags, and hang quite well on the bar; I can sacrifice a little pedaling fun twice a month.

And, oh yeah... if you spend ANY quality time at home, you'll look at damn near a roll a day per person; I had it figured that way a few years ago, and only ran short when someone had a bad head cold. Started buying the "double 12's" back then. Now Scott has something called "Naturals", which is just about perfect.

Comfort isn't the issue I have with the cheap stuff -- I like to be CLEAN! Anytime I encounter a 'substandard' product, I call it "Texas toilet paper -- don't take sh** offa nobody!" (Thanks for the line, Gallagher!)

Platy

The Biffy type of gadget clips onto a regular toilet and gets its water supply from the regular toilet supply line. The installation is simple enough for most handy guys. It can be removed fairly easily. The simplest type costs about $100. No fancy frills. It gives a blast of cold water that's a little startling at first, but it takes only a few times to adapt to it. When I first installed one, the other people in my condo swore they'd never use it but when it came time to move they insisted it be the first thing installed in the new house. Probably a person would want need to use 2 squares of TP to completely dry off.

freighttraininguphill

This is where my adult trikes come in real handy, especially the one with large rear AND front baskets. I buy the largest package of Scott 1000 sheet rolls available, which is usually 24 rolls per package. If I buy one of those packages I still have room for the rest of my groceries.

Ekdog

From Greenpeace:

Did you know? Americans could save more than 400,000 trees if each family bought a roll of recycled toilet paper—just once. Recycled tissue products help protect ancient forests, clean water, and wildlife habitat. It's easier on the Earth to make tissues from paper instead of trees.

Green: Recommended Cascades
Cascades

Dollarama
Fluffs

Basic Choice
Basic Choice

Seventh Generation
Seventh Generation

Metro / Briska
Econochoice
Merit Selection

Super C
Super C

Atlantic Packaging
Fiesta
April Soft
Ambiance
Atlantic

Dominion / A&P
Equality

Loblaws / Sunfresh / Provigo / Maxi
PC Green

Sobeys
Compliments Value

Basics for Less
Basics for Less

Best Buy
Best Buy

Twice as Soft
Twice as Soft

Earth Friendly Products
Earth Friendly Products

Safeway Canada
Recycled

Yellow: Not Recommended No product matches were found
Red: Avoid Zellers
Truly

Dominion / A&P
Master Choice

Loblaws / Sunfresh / Provigo / Maxi
President's Choice (PC)
PC Super Soft
PC 3 Ply
No Name
No Name Premium

Sobeys
Compliments

Jean Coutu
Personnnelle

Rexal
Soft Touch

Uniprix
Option +

Shoppers Drug Mart / Pharmaprix
Life
Life Cuddly Soft

Irving Paper
Royale
Royale Ultra
Royale Kitten Soft
Majesta

Scott Paper
Cottonelle
White Swan
Purex
Purex Pillowy Soft
Scott Premium
Soft and Pure
Capri
Cottonelle Ultra

Procter and Gamble
Charmin
Charmin Ultra
Charmin Scents
Charmin Plus
Charmin Fresh Mates

Kimberly-Clark
Kleenex
Kleenex Ultra Soft

Costco
Kirkland Signature

Safeway Canada
Safeway Select Thirsty
Safeway Soft
Safeway Select Softly Ultra

https://tissue.greenpeace.ca/productS...php?category=1


From the New York Times:

https://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/26/s...n.html?_r=1&em

Is having ultra-soft tp so important that we need to be destroying the Canadian boreal forest? After reading up on this, I've decided to start using the bidet.

gerv 

crazybikerchick

What are you doing with the TP?!?! 500 squares per roll, say 3 squares per use... that would be 160 visits per day

LesterOfPuppets

I've lived with women that can go through a roll a day. I can't fathom a dude running through a roll per day.

I spent most of January at home and found I get at least a month out of a roll living alone. I use 1000 sheet rolls but I can't get by with 3 squares. More like 10-15 squares at a time, once a day.